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True. Simmons value is around the same as one of those Argie scrubs we're trotting out there, this preseason. Nothing. Just cut the guv, and focus on Murray's development, from here on, in his place.
that waste of effort.
Dude, Simmons is a scrub. The best the Spurs could do with him is use him as a filler in a trade. They should just cut him loose. And Anderson isn't going to be traded anytime soon.
True. Simmons value is around the same as one of those Argie scrubs we're trotting out there, this preseason. Nothing. Just cut the guv, and focus on Murray's development, from here on, in his place.
that waste of effort.
Really I am not cutting him slack for not shooting. Needs to. I support Pop playing Bertans, whatever will get him to start chucking the 3. I don't even think Pop cares about makes right now. Case in point Dijon, career 29% from 3 in college from a shorter 3 pt line, one make, one airball. Could live with that from Kyle. Heck Danny 33% last season. Needs to shoot even if he starts off.
Also, teammates have to get on his ass about it. Talk about leadership, cases like this is where it's needed.
too bad manu isn't younger... line up could be patty/manu/kawhi. parker could get his shots up playing with the second unit.
The most they could get for him straight up us a 2nd rounder. Hed be a filler for anything more.
My point really is that we have to observe what they are running with Lee and Dedmon. I didn't see any screen setting or cutting by anyone (that resulted in good looks bc the bigs camped the paint).
I saw both Kyle and Lee pass up respective good shots. No excuses for Kyle but also none for Lee. Not only that, good drives by perimeter players were snuffed, that's why I brought up perimeter players other than him who experienced similar problems. I doubt cuts are there either with both bigs. POP is going to have to do something about them or will be worse than last season.
My hope is that Pop will address it somehow. The part is on him--->
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i'm less high on simmons.
wizards interested in giving up gortat? if wall and beal are still having a problem with each other, maybe they'd be looking for a new pg...
And Philly would just answer. "LOL, no."
Some thoughts about the game...
Anyways I think there is a lot of over reacting going on in here. I'm not gonna write an article or anything, but here we go.
I like to evaluate on this criteria:
Quality of shots
Quality of teamwork
For point A, I thought we had a lot of good looks. You can't say a guy can't cut it cause he missed shots. If they were good looks than it's ok if it's a miss. Of course you want them to go in but the fact of the matter is they don't all the time and this is preseason so percentages are typically down due to various reasons.
For point B, I liked the ball movement and selflessness tonight. There were a lot of good to great shots and I think Kawhi lead by example beautifully, case in point the pass to LMA where he wasn't looking for it. I hope it sets a tone for the season.
Kyle: I thought he played a solid game overall. He defended well, he took good shots, he made some plays. I know we want him to shoot the three but he needs time for that and unless he's wide open he's not going to force it. If he collapses the defense and makes a nice pass for a good shot that's ok too. I don't know what y'all expect. He's not a sniper. If he can hit an open one than yes thats perfect but expecting him to shoot a quick release shot on a solid closeout is not suited for him. I liked his passes. Y'all wanting him to score more and look for his shot more need to realize that he's not that high on the totem pole. He's never higher than 4th option imo with starters and bench. His role imo is to be someone who initiates the ball movement. I don't think it's an accident that he drives on closeouts. I'm suggesting that it's designed that way. If he has a look than take it, etc.
Simmons: For the people that is saying he's trash, you're missing it. Tonight he showed improvement from last season. He was under control almost exclusively. Last year he put his head down and went straight for the rim. Tonight he drove and kicked. He also has that pull up that he's been working on since summer league. He had one shot that was ugly but he got the ball back. He's not pretty but he can be effective. I haven't seen much of the preseason but this is what I've seen.
Final roster spot:
It seems we have a bunch of specialists vying for the last spot and it's easy to make a case for almost all of them, except Arci, and Laprivotola? imo. Bryn is a sniper from three and you can play him alongside any playmaker; could make great depth on the bench for Patty. Pato could be the next 3 and D find and could prove very valuable against the Warriors. He could play 3 positions on D vs small ball lineups. In regular lineups he's like a 2/3. Joel Anthony provides some depth at center with the poor play by Dedmon.
Tony/Patty/Murray
Green/Manu/Simmons
Kawhi/Kyle/Bertans
LMA/Lee/Livio
Gasol/Dedmon
On paper another 5 would be great, but I'm getting a little attached to Bryn and Pato. I wish we could keep them both. I think they could become assets. With how Pop has talked about Simmons, I doubt he drops him so we have space for one. As you can tell I'm high on both. I even like Joel too. If I had to take one, I believe the wisest decision would be Pato. Just because we have a lot of depth at the PG/SG spot and we lack solid backup defender after Danny and Kawhi. I think one of our strengths is our ability to put top defenders on both wing positions and I'm not sure i can confidently say Kyle is solid at the least. His d is a little gimmicky and relys on his length. Pato has solid fundamentals and he can stretch the floor. I just don't think our ability to out score a team is gonna be the primary focus. It's not how we are built. I could be wrong though. I think making life difficult and punishing teams with our size is the play and I think Pato fits that style more. Plus I think he's Pops kind of guy; blue collar, outspoken, etc. Bryn theoretically can only cover Patty's spot while Pato can cover more, just depending on who you plug him with. With that said, another Neal with a better head on the shoulders is very enticing and would make our offense more explosive. We'll see. Can't wait for the scrimmage.
Thanks for the review if anything bc it's less biased than ppls agendas here. Kyle was closed out aggressively on his 3, he wasn't ignored or dared to shoot. I still want him to shoot when he has a chance. One was more aggressively closed out by Leuer who is a big that could get to his shot. I didn't think that was a good shot by him. There was another one he could have shot but didn't. He needed to shoot that one.
He drove but I thought same as you, it's allowed for him. He missed a floater in the paint he can normally make, other two misses were end of the shot clock jumpshots under duress.
Ppl here want Danny to drive, the Kyle to refrain from putting the ball on the floor. I brought up Manu and Dijon getting to the hoop to be met by rim protectors and missing to place Kyle's drives in perspective. In fact over the past couple of game everyone playing with Lee/Ddmon has been met by defenses and their percentages in the paint are not good.
I still stand by the spacing problems the bench has and for the long haul I don't know if they will work as they are. I liked Lee's activity level, and he finished some nice plays, but he really plays like a center offensively and with Dedmon there it's two guys to help up off. I fear it's one if those problems that will persist through the season. I don't think they would be better without Lee, but 2 non shooting bigs is too much. I think they deal with Dedmon however they can. He looked better this game, but he didn't play much, didn't score and Pop took a long look at Bertans, so I think Pop is looking around.
Agreed with everything else. I am truly not high on J.Simms at all, but also not a low as others are. I think he's serviceable for what the team needs but I really like Garino more than him, higher BIBIQ, true dedication to defense, room for growth as he's 23. Kind of sad if he gets cut that I got attached to him.
FOrbes was off all other games but he can shoot occasionally. He's a liability on defense bug time. I think he's a worthy pick up based on him being a sniper, for depth, but I still like Garino more.
The good news is that the team won this game and the starters were magnificent playing the team game. Kawhi's really has MVP this season if the team is good. He's taken the next step which was leadership and playmaking. He is probably the most complete player in the league outside LeBron and he going to push harder than LeBron bc he's younger. Hopefully everyone s healthy and have good seasons.
Good post!
I think Lappy though will get the last spot, it just seems that Pop trusts him more.
Good post!
I think Lappy though will get the last spot, it just seems that Pop trusts him more.
With so many green players in the team, Spurs need more players that can step up and lead.
You both are my niggs tbh... TGY is a gem too my man
They have watched him enough to not panic over a few early pre-season games. The transition to the NBA is tough, and I know some guys never adjust. But I still think he's the best of the first-year guards on the roster, and I still think he'll be on the regular season roster.
One of Garino's interviews sounded like he thinks he needs to develop his game in the D-League. And if he thinks that, Pop probably does too. But he's the same height as Simmons, and heavier/stronger, and he seems to really want to play defense. And he's four years younger than Simmons. I don't think he'll replace Simmons on the Spurs' roster this year, but if Simmons doesn't take the next step up, he could next year.
Trying to figure out what the Spurs are going to do means eating crow as often as not, but I think that's how it will play out. Lap on the regular season roster, Garino in Austin and getting a couple of 10-day looks with the Spurs. Simmons on the roster, but I the hot seat - either step up or step out.
wake me up when we're 20 games into the season.
Good post. Great points.
only two preseason games left...
The Anderson-Lee-Dedmon backup front line predictably doesn't work offensively and it's not about it "being early".
That possession early in the 2nd quarter where Ginobili bailed them out with a quick release catch and shoot deep 3 was a perfect example of the issues this unit will inevitably have if they remain intact.
Anderson turned down a wide open 3 followed by Lee doing the same with an 18 footer. They then commenced panic mode and ran dribble hand offs and weaves that were ineffective because the defense could just duck way under every screen and wall off the paint.
Lee and Dedmon also seemed unsure of how they'll have to function together. Whichever isn't the roll man needs to be in the "dunker" spot. Really though, he needs to either stagger their minutes or drop one from the rotation.
Lee with Dedmon really sucks. Lee without a legit big like Pau or Aldridge sucks.
I honestly think though that it makes sense to stagger Pau and Aldridge. Having them both on the court at the same time really isn't that efficient since they have very similar offensive games.
The not-so-hilarious part about that play is that if Manu misses, most people won't remember that play at all, then look at the stat sheet and OMG, Manu taking too many shots. He's going to be the escape valve when the offense goes to in that unit, and by the looks of it right now, he's going to have to bail possessions quite a bit.
Isn't it 3?
yeah, i missed it. cause the last game's not until a week after we play miami.
Oh man. Second verse same as the first. Pop didn't stagger LMA with Tim; he ain't gonna do it with Tim-light. And many ST posters will probably ridicule the idea. You were right last year, and you convinced me pretty early in the season that Pop should split up LMA/Tim and Diaw/West, and Tim should have come off the bench. You are right again this year.Ultimately, PATFO need to quit chasing the biggest name free agent they can sign and just sign guys that fit. I fear this team is a mess.
I think this season's bigs are worse than last season so my hope for 60 wins is no more. 55 sounds about right on Kawhi's back. Only someone unheralded from guys 8-15 making a difference will swing more games unexpectedly. We all have our picks and some guys don't have any picks, they plan on riding Manus back at 39 or have already proclaimed Spurs pretenders...Oh man. Second verse same as the first. Pop didn't stagger LMA with Tim; he ain't gonna do it with Tim-light. And many ST posters will probably ridicule the idea. You were right last year, and you convinced me pretty early in the season that Pop should split up LMA/Tim and Diaw/West, and Tim should have come off the bench. You are right again this year.
What does Pop have planned? I don't know but based on last season, he will be willing to mix and match guys in 8-13 but the SL stays put. Though I did see some staggering of lineups, preseason may not be characteristic of they RS rotation yet.
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