Kyle Anderson isn't good enough...

[Chinook]

Good points.

By the way, you asked earlier where I'm moving. I moved from Riga to Kiev last May, and now headed to Kharkov next week. My second time living in Kharkov, was there from 2007 to 2014.

So do you just get by on English, or are you fluent in Russian and Latvian?

[SAGirl]

Right now the Spurs have 3 players under contract that seem unable to contribute more than they already have. Anderson, Simmons and Deadman.
If we do not start unloading some of them and looking for answers elsewhere the team will be very thin at the bigs rotation and also at the guards.

It´s a really complicated situation, but as it is right now, y would consider cutting some players that have been unable to exceed expectations in favor of new ones who might.

The problem is that all those guys are on really cheap contracts and won't net equitable returns. Spurs have to find out if they will adjust b4 unloading. Kyle is not all he can be at this stage, I am sure. He's still far too young and could have just been entering the draft this season same as Garino in fact. Spurs would be foolish to unload him at this stage unless the trade is clearly beneficial which it won't be right now.

It's actually harder to play in the bench next to questionable talent save Lee (I think Murray has talent but he's limited right now and a rookie, he has little awareness of making others better, for starters) than it is to play a role within a starting lineup. The bench player in that situation has to do more and be more than if he was playing with the elite talent, so it's definitely too soon to get on Kyle's arse for one preseason game he was iffy... wasn't even terrible in fact, just not all that fans hoped. He will have to be improving in his assertiveness and aggression, but I think guys familiarity with each other, and the system will help, which is lacking here.

[Raven]

Before SAGirl showed up in this place, i think i've read/heard the "next Diaw" or something here and elswhere..That Kyle has an "overrated" narrative to him, it is indisputable...He's really going to need to make some kind of leap this year or trade talk would be fair game..

why would you trade him, it's not like he is paid much.. what do you expect to get..

[SAGirl]

why would you trade him, it's not like he is paid much.. what do you expect to get..

lol ppl are so unrealistic concerning trades it's laughable. I enjoy discussion bc I still learn a lot and enjoy in general different opinions that are not strict trolling, but I am disregarding the trading suggestions entirely. It won't happen.

[BillMc]

So do you just get by on English, or are you fluent in Russian and Latvian?

A mix. I know some Russian. I studied in Moscow for almost two years, but foreign language is not my strength and frankly my grammar has deteriorated. My Latvian and Ukrainian are basic. I use Russian much more in Ukraine than in Latvia, and will use it more in Kharkov on the Eastern border than in Kiev, though I do use it here to order food, get directions, etc.

[MaNu4Tres]

Yes. He was elite last year. You might not believe he is, but the numbers bear that out.

I have to disagree.

Kyle's numbers may bear out, as you say, but you're not taking into consideration of when he was utilized in ISO's. Last year, most of his damage came in mop up duty vs. guys 10-14 on the opposing rosters. There's variables involved into your argument that you're not taking into account. If anything those numbers are irrelevant due to the small role he played in. The sample size in relevant situations, or good compe ion is certainly very very small and shouldn't be conclusive.

When it matters, Kyle Anderson isn't a go to player. If he is, then you're team is going to lose the time that he's being utilized as such. And he for damn sure won't warrant any double teams from any team that has half a brain. Smart teams or even dumb teams should be bright enough to not double.

[SAGirl]

And now we have people comparing Kawhis' situation and growth to Kyle's. My head hurts.

It's only Tuesday people.

I am only bringing it up bc if it took time for Kawhi, I don't think ppl are realistic to expect a huge leap from one season to the next when last season was technically the first one he really, really competed at the NBA level. In terms of level, they are much different, but in terms of progression it still took time. For a more realistic and maybe similar level player I may bring up CoJo who was very marginal and really started growing at a gradual place. It was very doubtful very early in his career that he was going to have a niche or even be a 6th man in a good team which he kind of is for the Raptors. Players are still young and still develop through time and experience and exposure regardless of ceiling. Maybe I make others heads hurt all season, but others make my head hurt with the shortsightedness all the time.

[dabom]

I have to disagree.

Kyle's numbers may bear out, as you say, but you're not taking into consideration of when he was utilized in ISO's. Last year, most of his damage came in mop up duty vs. guys 10-14 on the opposing rosters. There's variables involved into your argument that you're not taking into account. If anything those numbers are irrelevant due to the small role he played in. The sample size in relevant situations, or good compe ion is certainly very very small and shouldn't be conclusive.

When it matters, Kyle Anderson isn't a go to player. If he is, then you're team is going to lose the time that he's being utilized as such. And he for damn sure won't warrant any double teams from any team that has half a brain. Smart teams or even dumb teams should be bright enough to not double.

Playing vs dleague talent.

Was a zero s OKC. I hope people can tell the difference.

[MaNu4Tres]

I am only bringing it up bc if it took time for Kawhi, I don't think ppl are realistic to expect a huge leap from one season to the next when last season was technically the first one he really, really competed at the NBA level. In terms of level, they are much different, but in terms of progression it still took time. For a more realistic and maybe similar level player I may bring up CoJo who was very marginal and really started growing at a gradual place. It was very doubtful very early in his career that he was going to have a niche or even be a 6th man in a good team which he kind of is for the Raptors. Players are still young and still develop through time and experience and exposure regardless of ceiling. Maybe I make others heads hurt all season, but others make my head hurt with the shortsightedness all the time.

Kawhi was a starter his rookie year and by his second year was a Finals MVP.

Cojo proved to be solid by his second year as well, backing up Tony and beating out Patty for the back up PG role during the 12/13 season. The next year, Mills lost 20 pounds of crap (something Parker needs to do), and rightfully won the back up PG spot because he played lights out.

[gambit1990]

I have to disagree.

Kyle's numbers may bear out, as you say, but you're not taking into consideration of when he was utilized in ISO's. Last year, most of his damage came in mop up duty vs. guys 10-14 on the opposing rosters. There's variables involved into your argument that you're not taking into account. If anything those numbers are irrelevant due to the small role he played in. The sample size in relevant situations, or good compe ion is certainly very very small and shouldn't be conclusive.

exactly.

chinook

[Chinook]

I have to disagree.

Kyle's numbers may bear out, as you say, but you're not taking into consideration of when he was utilized in ISO's. Last year, most of his damage came in mop up duty vs. guys 10-14 on the opposing rosters. There's variables involved into your argument that you're not taking into account. If anything those numbers are irrelevant due to the small role he played in. The sample size in relevant situations, or good compe ion is certainly very very small and shouldn't be conclusive.

I wouldn't be surprised if this video didn't have half of his successful iso plays on it:



Those are not plays in garbage time like you're assuming. What Kyle has going for him are two things: 1) He's too big to have his shot blocked most of the time and 2) He's really good at making contested shots. Both of those things negate the fact that he's too slow to move away from defenders. He doesn't really have to.

Anderson wasn't a garbage-time player. He was fully in the rotation and played against rotation players. He had his down moments, but he also did a lot of good things, which the numbers reflect. Acknowledging the latter is fine; using that to mask the former isn't. He's a good iso scorer who deserves and needs to take more attempts. He doesn't have to be in the top four percent of the league to warrant those touches. He can drop to the 78th percentile and still be great there.

[Chinook]

exactly.

chinook

Damned hanger-on.

[gambit1990]

Spurs would be foolish to unload him at this stage unless the trade is clearly beneficial which it won't be right now.

so the spurs shouldn't make a trade if it is bad? wow, you got some insight.

[dabom]

Chinook just said fathead would be unstoppable vs the ing warriors. Add that to the list gambit.

[MaNu4Tres]

I wouldn't be surprised if this video didn't have half of his successful iso plays on it:



Those are not plays in garbage time like you're assuming. What Kyle has going for him are two things: 1) He's too big to have his shot blocked most of the time and 2) He's really good at making contested shots. Both of those things negate the fact that he's too slow to move away from defenders. He doesn't really have to.

Anderson wasn't a garbage-time player. He was fully in the rotation and played against rotation players. He had his down moments, but he also did a lot of good things, which the numbers reflect. Acknowledging the latter is fine; using that to mask the former isn't. He's a good iso scorer who deserves and needs to take more attempts. He doesn't have to be in the top four percent of the league to warrant those touches. He can drop to the 78th percentile and still be great there.

Of course, a highlight video, only highlighting shots he made.

A lot of those shots were within the offense. I never said he only played vs. garbage time players, I said most of his ISO situations came from garbage time -- when Manu or Patty weren't on the floor. Sure there's going to be some moments when he has an ISO situation with Manu/Patty, but the Spurs never went to that during relevant parts of a game. If so it was out of desperation.

[SAGirl]

I have to disagree.

Kyle's numbers may bear out, as you say, but you're not taking into consideration of when he was utilized in ISO's. Last year, most of his damage came in mop up duty vs. guys 10-14 on the opposing rosters. There's variables involved into your argument that you're not taking into account. If anything those numbers are irrelevant due to the small role he played in. The sample size in relevant situations, or good compe ion is certainly very very small and shouldn't be conclusive.

When it matters, Kyle Anderson isn't a go to player. If he is, then you're team is going to lose the time that he's being utilized as such. And he for damn sure won't warrant any double teams from any team that has half a brain. Smart teams or even dumb teams should be bright enough to not double.

He still played over 1200 minutes. Though I am not advocating they go to isos. I think he has to work on a bailout possession shot, bc he's been getting those shots and will likely get more. He still started games and in the latter part of the season, once Tim got injured and from there on out he averaged 20 minutes per game the rest of the season. It's hard to argue regardless, that 20 minutes per game from January through April are insignificant or all garbage.

This season is the tougher test though and Pop has to have some kind of system out there.

[gambit1990]

Chinook just said fathead would be unstoppable vs the ing warriors. Add that to the list gambit.

the list is getting too long tbh, seems like it grows everyday

[dabom]

the list is getting too long tbh, seems like it grows everyday

Not gonna lie. I'm glad I exposed that mtfkr. Everyone else can see it now too.

[bklynspursfan]

Kawhi was a starter his rookie year and by his second year was a Finals MVP.

Cojo proved to be solid by his second year as well, backing up Tony and beating out Patty for the back up PG role during the 12/13 season. The next year, Mills lost 20 pounds of crap (something Parker needs to do), and rightfully won the back up PG spot because he played lights out.

Not to throw this thread off, yes Patty got himself in great shape. But from what I'm reading TP and he weigh about the same. And TP is 2 inches taller lol TP actually looked to be in good shape with France and even now.

[Chinook]

Of course, a highlight video, only highlighting shots he made.

Yes. We know he made 60 percent of his iso attempts already. You assumed that those were against poor compe ion. But the video chronicling a large number of them disagree. You're right that it doesn't show his misses, but there weren't all that many to show. It's not like with Murray's college highlights.

A lot of those shots were within the offense.

Yeah, and they were still iso shots, just like LMA's last night.

I never said he only played vs. garbage time players, I said most of his ISO situations came from garbage time -- when Manu or Patty weren't on the floor.

But there's no proof of that at all. He's clearly breaking people down and scoring or passing with starters in the game. I doubt the highlight creator would've biased his clips away from garbage time.

Sure there's going to be some moments when he has an ISO situation with Manu/Patty, but the Spurs never went to that during relevant parts of a game. If so it was out of desperation.

I think we all know that the Spurs haven't made Anderson a top option of the big club for any significant stretch. That's sort of the point of this debate. No matter what the reason, when Anderson got the ball in those situations, he did well. The only logical response is to put him in those situations more often to see how he does. There's no guarantee he'll be able to handle it for sure. But Pop has to find out. As I said, it's his most important task this season.

[Brazil]

I disagree with the idea that Kyle issue on offense is mental... the fact he does not take open 3s is not only related to mental issues, it is just he has not the release to take them... a wide open three has another definition for him, a wide open 3 for Danny is equivalent at a barely open 3 for Kyle

[Chinook]

the list is getting too long tbh, seems like it grows everyday

Okay, now this is just too much. I think you guys just moved from annoying posters to minor antagonists in a kids live-action movie. I'm just imagining you guys sitting at your computers in leather jackets and slicked-back hair now.

[dabom]

Anyone showing "regular season highlights" when he clearly shot 30% from the field last playoffs.

[spursistan]

Damn this thread already has "Was Aldridge worth it?" potential ..

[SAGirl]

Kawhi was a starter his rookie year and by his second year was a Finals MVP.

Cojo proved to be solid by his second year as well, backing up Tony and beating out Patty for the back up PG role during the 12/13 season. The next year, Mills lost 20 pounds of crap (something Parker needs to do), and rightfully won the back up PG spot because he played lights out.

I don't think what you consider Kyle then bc he was just as solid as well, beating out 3 guys for his spot: Butler, Simms and Martin, clearly, without a doubt in his second season and was averaging 20 minutes from January-April in his second season.

he came into a team that was stacked his first season with no chance to get in the rotation anywhere. He needed work but it's hard to argue he couldn't have played when he was not expected to, he would only have gotten in the way.

I get it you won't be convinced to see the point I am trying to make, so I won't try to. Within context it's not that different in terms of progression.