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    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/1...ason-zach-lowe

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    7. The Clippers, not the Spurs, will be the No. 2 seed in the West

    It's ridiculous to worry about the Spurs. Their defense can survive without Tim Duncan; they allowed 98.6 points per 100 possessions when Duncan sat last season, a mark that would have led the entire stinking league. They beat younger, stupider teams just by making the proper play every time on both ends.


    But I'm a little worried about the Spurs. Their defense and rebounding should take a hit with Pau Gasol sliding into Duncan's starting spot alongside LaMarcus Aldridge. Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili are a combined 73 years old, and San Antonio didn't add anyone to soak up some pick-and-roll duty. (Scouts love Dejounte Murray, but it's hard to see him playing much as a rookie.)


    The Clippers know exactly who they are, they score like , and they don't beat themselves (until the second round). Their annual collection of Doc Rivers Bargain Bin Veterans looks friskier than usual.


    We love to mock the Clippers, but they are awesome.


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    9. LaMarcus Aldridge's name will surface in trade talks


    The Spurs are self-aware. I have a hunch they know this is something of a placeholder season, and that without some injury luck swinging their way at the right time, they are a tier below Golden State. Aldridge is 31, six years older than Kawhi Leonard, and his trade value will never be higher; he can opt out of his contract after the 2017-18 season.


    The Spurs will see if this team outperforms expectations. If it doesn't, they should take calls on Aldridge. He's really good, and there are a lot of impatient owners chasing immediate gratification. If opportunism meets desperation, the Spurs could fleece some rival and restock with a bundle of assets that better line up with Leonard's timetable.


    The Lakers have a ton of young talent, and top decision-makers clinging to jobs. Aldridge almost signed in Phoenix, and Robert Sarver, the Suns owner, is dying to get back to the playoffs. They have a stockpile of prospects stuck behind fogies and mid-career guys, plus those extra Miami picks. Dallas and Houston will always look, even with Dirk Nowitzki and Ryan Anderson slotted into Aldridge's nominal position (and not much to trade beyond future picks). Maybe Toronto goes all-in. Maybe the Oklahoma City reloads.


    The odds are against any deal happening. Signing Gasol to a two-year deal (with a player option for 2017-18) is something of an all-in move, and even if Gasol opts out after this season, the Aldridge-Leonard combo is a shiny lure for free agents. But if the season unfolds the wrong way, here's betting the Spurs at least listen.


    10. Kawhi Leonard three-peats as Defensive Player of the Year


    There are other candidates, including Draymond Green, a revived Anthony Davis and the French Rejection in Utah. But Davis and Gobert have never sustained peak defense over a full season. Leonard has been engulfing his prey every night for years; it's folly to bet on anyone overtaking him.


    If Leonard wins, he will tie Dwight Howard for the second-most defensive player of the year trophies -- trailing only Dikembe Mutombo and Ben Wallace, who have four each. Remember when wings and guards couldn't win this award? Leonard may be on track to win it more than anyone, ever.
    Really starting to detest Lowe's opinions.

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    Man, I would literally cry tears of joy if the Spurs traded Aldridge's soft ass, tbh..

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    Man, I would literally cry tears of joy if the Spurs traded Aldridge's soft ass, tbh..
    Only way that happens is if he asks for it. He's not Blake; his game should age well enough to where he has another five years of starting-level play in him.

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    I think he's discounting the age of the Clippers. On the LA thing, I'm sure there are trades that will be there but, a whole lot of things have to go bad for that to be a real consideration. I agree that GS is the team that should come out of the West but, when their top 2 players have an injury history there's a reason to think grinding out a season focused on developing players for the playoffs is the smart move here for the Spurs.

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    The LMA talk flies in the face of how Pop started the season, specifically placing the burden on him and Kiwi.
    Yea, Lowe has been very off lately, he's throwing out there and seeing what sticks. The key phrase for the idea was:

    If opportunism meets desperation
    At what point does he think Pop faces desperation and presses the panic button? lol Never. If anything, I don't think Pop stuck around after Tim in his own twilight years to face a rebuild. I think he's probably aging a couple of seasons right this second just having to coach so many rookies at once, and having probably his youngest bench in a long time (am I right, I might exaggerate)... specially if you assign a proportion of minutes to Ginobili and account for who in reality is going to be playing the majority of the bench minutes. I can see Pop's vein pumping at that thought.

    Then Lowe says:
    The odds are against any deal happening.
    Basically an admission that he's throwing against a wall.

    To which I say... aw well dude, thanks for the laugh.

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    Really starting to detest Lowe's opinions.
    Its called crazy prediction for a reason...

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    I don't know what's crazy about #7, that's an easy call to make putting the Clippers at the two seed with how horrendous the Parker-Gasol pick and roll defense is going to be.

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    Its called crazy prediction for a reason...
    That reason is so you don't have to own it if you're wrong, not because you don't believe it's possible. They're wild guesses, but they're still his guesses.

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    Really starting to detest Lowe's opinions.
    imagine how we feel about yours.

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    Its called crazy prediction for a reason...
    seriously. leave it to chinook and sagirl to not understand the concept of a "crazy prediction".

    they're acting like the le says "30 things that will or might happen".

    from the beginning of the article:
    As usual, we throw darts at issues both huge and teensy. Some of these calls are so ultra-specific, the odds of them actually happening are miniscule. There's no fun in safety.

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    imagine how we feel about yours.
    It's rather pathetic how you've turned into such a blubbering wuss recently.

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    seriously. leave it to chinook and sagirl to not understand the concept of a "crazy prediction".

    they're acting like the le says "30 things that will or might happen".

    from the beginning of the article:
    That doesn't absolve anybody. Like if I said, "My crazy prediction is that Trump will be our next president." And then said, "But I actually believe Hilary will be the next president," then you just contradicted yourself. Crazy predictions are betting on long-shots; they aren't you not believing in the long-shots.

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    I don't know what's crazy about #7, that's an easy call to make putting the Clippers at the two seed with how horrendous the Parker-Gasol pick and roll defense is going to be.
    We can all hope for the best, but the reality is, this team won't be able to gain any ground on the Warriors until Gasol and Parker are gone.

    I've said it before, I wish they would have went a different route this past summer.

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    We can all hope for the best, but the reality is, this team won't be able to gain any ground on the Warriors until Gasol and Parker are gone.

    I've said it before, I wish they would have went a different route this past summer.
    I'm alright with it, they should still win 55 games and be a lot of fun to watch. The first goal of ownership is to put a team on the floor that is going to sell tickets and draw TV ratings. And besides, the core of the team is way too good to tank with Leonard, Aldridge, and Green. And the free agent pickings were very slim after Gasol once Durant went west. There weren't many other viable routes the team could have gone. No way I wanted them throwing a max contract at Conley or $18 million a year at someone like Bazemore, as this year was such an overwhelming sellers' market in free agency.

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    We can all hope for the best, but the reality is, this team won't be able to gain any ground on the Warriors until Gasol and Parker are gone.

    I've said it before, I wish they would have went a different route this past summer.
    I must have missed it. What route would you have wanted them to take?

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    gonna try to start calling out chinook less so i don't have to deal with reading his ty replies.

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    . The first goal of ownership is to put a team on the floor that is going to sell tickets and draw TV ratings. And besides, the core of the team is way too good to tank with Leonard, Aldridge, and Green. .
    Where did I say the team should have tanked?

    Even without Gasol, the team would have still sold tickets and won 55 games with the a top five player in the league in Leonard, Aldridge, and Green core. I would have went after players that you can build with Leonard, Green, LA for now and the future instead of allocating 16-17 mil on a player that is old, immobile, and not versatile.

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    gonna try to start calling out chinook less so i don't have to deal with reading his ty replies.
    That's fine. When you don't address me, I have no issues with you having takes I disagree with.

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    Man, I would literally cry tears of joy if the Spurs traded Aldridge's soft ass, tbh..
    TBH

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    The LMA talk flies in the face of how Pop started the season, specifically placing the burden on him and Kiwi.
    Yea, Lowe has been very off lately, he's throwing out there and seeing what sticks. The key phrase for the idea was:



    At what point does he think Pop faces desperation and presses the panic button? lol Never. If anything, I don't think Pop stuck around after Tim in his own twilight years to face a rebuild. I think he's probably aging a couple of seasons right this second just having to coach so many rookies at once, and having probably his youngest bench in a long time (am I right, I might exaggerate)... specially if you assign a proportion of minutes to Ginobili and account for who in reality is going to be playing the majority of the bench minutes. I can see Pop's vein pumping at that thought.

    Then Lowe says:

    Basically an admission that he's throwing against a wall.

    To which I say... aw well dude, thanks for the laugh.
    I think he meant the spurs would be opportunistic if some other team was desperate to get Aldrige. Basically saying that someone may make them a fantastic offer that would be hard to turn down.

    Thats the way I took it at least, not that the spurs would be desperate.

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    Where did I say the team should have tanked? Regardless of Gasol, the team would have still sold tickets and won 55 games with the a top five player in the league in Leonard, Aldridge, and Green core. I would have went after players that you can build with Leonard, Green, LA instead of allocating 16-17 mil on a player that is old, immobile, and not versatile.
    But there was no one unless you wanted to drastically overpay. This was a horrible free agent market. I wanted the Spurs to make a run at Mozgov until LA Jr offered him $16 million a year. CJ McCollum got $26.5 million a year. Hassan Whiteside $24.5 million a year. Nic Batum $24 million a year. Kent Bazemore $17.5 million a year. Evan Fournier $17 million a year. Solomon Hill $12 million a year. Ryan Anderson $20 million a year. Ian Mahinmi $16 million a year. Harrison Barnes $23.5 million a year. Allen Crabbe $18.75 million a year. I mean these are not good players, they're not difference makers, and they're signed for Kawhi Leonard money after GMs went nuts with the big cap increase. I don't think these kind of contracts are a steady state based on a high cap, I think they're an overreaction to the TV deal kicking in.

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    Lowe also said the Rockets were the top threat to Golden State last season, and that the Spurs would "disappoint," so.....

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    But there was no one unless you wanted to drastically overpay. This was a horrible free agent market. I wanted the Spurs to make a run at Mozgov until LA Jr offered him $16 million a year. CJ McCollum got $26.5 million a year. Hassan Whiteside $24.5 million a year. Nic Batum $24 million a year. Kent Bazemore $17.5 million a year. Evan Fournier $17 million a year. Solomon Hill $12 million a year. Ryan Anderson $20 million a year. Ian Mahinmi $16 million a year. Harrison Barnes $23.5 million a year. Allen Crabbe $18.75 million a year. I mean these are not good players, they're not difference makers, and they're signed for Kawhi Leonard money after GMs went nuts with the big cap increase. I don't think these kind of contracts are a steady state based on a high cap, I think they're an overreaction to the TV deal kicking in.
    It is. By 2018, the Spurs will have a pretty clean cap, and those overpaid guys will still be on the books. I had by guys, obviously (Terrance Jones, Eric Gordon, Jared Sullinger) that I wanted to fit into the financial flexibility the team had but it didn't work out. And having Pau for his last good years is great. And this ignores that I completely believe that the Spurs have a legit shot at betting GS. Leonard is looking like he's going to overtake Curry and Durant on the best-player boards this year.

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    Lowe also said the Rockets were the top threat to Golden State last season, and that the Spurs would "disappoint," so.....
    Yeah, but those were "crazy predictions" so they don't count. It's hard to hedge more than that.

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