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    What does the assimilation of a black person entail?
    Economic assimilation first and foremost. It's the most important part.

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    I've read about most of what it entails & I remember liking all/most of what I read. But I don't remember reading that polygraph tests are being administered. Maybe I missed it. It's really a linchpin for me.
    Polygraphs seem useless to me.

    There are five levels of reviews.

    Do you think that is necessary for a widow with 2-5 kids?



    Or can we just take a pass on administering polygraphs to 5 year olds?

    Not all the refugees fall into this category, but it would be easily possible to get 100,000+ that fall into just that category.

    Get in a family man with everything to lose, i.e. wife and children, should he get the same treatment?

    Lastly, we lose 35,000 people each year to car crashes.

    If the level of additional risk to any given person in the US is less than that of, say, choking to death on food, how do you justify NOT allowing people who might be tortured/killed into the country?

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    Economic assimilation first and foremost. It's the most important part.
    So maybe you meant "poor" instead of "black."

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    4,864 people ... died from choking in 2013
    http://www.nsc.org/learn/safety-know...e-choking.aspx

    Terrorists kill fewer than ham sandwiches.

    That is the level of risk we are talking about.

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    Immigrants today are integrating into U.S. society as fast or faster than those of previous generations, according to a study released Monday, with male immigrants holding down jobs at higher rates and committing fewer crimes than native-born Americans.

    The study, by an expert committee led by Harvard sociologist Mary Waters for the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine, provides a counterpoint to some claims in the national debate on immigration. It illuminates how immigrants fare after arriving in the United States, which is important, Waters said, given that one in four Americans today is either an immigrant or a child of one.

    In light of the country’s policy debate on immigrants, “whether or not they’re succeeding … is an important question for the future of our society,” said Waters, the M.E. Zukerman Professor of Sociology.

    The two-year analysis by a committee of sociologists, economists, political scientists, geographers, and other experts reviewed existing studies on life for immigrants in the United States. In some areas of focus, Waters said, studies were scarce, so committee members turned to data from the U.S. Census Bureau and other sources.

    The report looked at a number of different measures — including education, occupation, residential segregation, language acquisition, poverty, health, crime rates, family type, intermarriage, and naturalization — to determine whether today’s immigrants are as successful at integrating as prior waves. The answer is yes, Waters said, though she added that assimilation takes time.

    “Integration is a multigenerational process.”

    Among its recommendations, the report suggested further study of America’s naturalization process. Only half of eligible immigrants become naturalized Americans, a far lower rate than in certain other nations, such as Canada and Australia.

    The study looked at immigrants and native-born Americans of similar backgrounds. For example, it compared immigrants with high educational attainment to native-born of high educational attainment, and native-born from poor backgrounds to immigrants from poor backgrounds.

    Overall, immigrants are more likely to be poor, 18.4 percent compared with 13.8 percent for native-born Americans. This is the case even though a greater proportion of immigrants work. The poverty rate declines over time, approximating that of the native-born in the second generation, and then falling to 11.5 percent in the third generation.

    Young immigrant men with low levels of education commit fewer crimes than their native-born counterparts, the report said, and foreign-born men ages 18 to 39 are jailed at one-fourth the rate of native-born men. The impact of this is felt in cities where concentrations of new immigrants align with lower crime rates, Waters said.
    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/stor...-assimilation/


    What we understand about assimilation into the US:

    It is automatic.
    It takes about 20-40 years.

    3rd generation rarely speaks their native language.

    This is the way populations get assimilated.

    This is the same for all sorts of groups with various ethnicities and religions.

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    So maybe you meant "poor" instead of "black."
    No I meant black.

    Economically Asians surpass whites in this country, 2nd generation+ hispanics do just as well as whites, but blacks are stuck at the back of the pack. Do you find it racist to say they haven't been fully assimilated?

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    How big is the problem?
    From 2005-2014, there were an average of 3,536 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related) annually in the United States — about ten deaths per day.
    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...he%20us%202015

    Ten per day is vastly more than terrorists.

    Should we be more concerned about terrorism or drowning on this basis?

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    No I meant black.

    Economically Asians surpass whites in this country, 2nd generation+ hispanics do just as well as whites, but blacks are stuck at the back of the pack. Do you find it racist to say they haven't been fully assimilated?
    Depends.

    I tend to think of 1965 as about the "landing time".

    Three generations is about now to be assimilated.

    It isn't racist to say blacks in the US have not caught up. That is merely fact.

    The causes for that... is topic for a whole other thread.

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    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...he%20us%202015

    Ten per day is vastly more than terrorists.

    Should we be more concerned about terrorism or drowning on this basis?
    The current, increasing opioid crisis is even bigger.

    BigPharma lobbied successfully to stop any state from restricting opioid prescribing. Dead Americans for profit.

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    No I meant black.

    Economically Asians surpass whites in this country, 2nd generation+ hispanics do just as well as whites, but blacks are stuck at the back of the pack. Do you find it racist to say they haven't been fully assimilated?
    You're comparing black assimilation to Amish assimilation and the concern of a hypothetical Muslim refugee colony lead by Muslim principles that contradict secular principles of American assimilation. 100% of Muslims are Muslim. 100% of Amish are Amish. 27% of blacks are poor.

    So it may not be racist but it's a stupid comparison.

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    100% of Muslims are Muslim. 100% of Amish are Amish. 27% of blacks are poor.

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    http://www.nsc.org/learn/safety-know...e-choking.aspx

    Terrorists kill fewer than ham sandwiches.

    That is the level of risk we are talking about.

    Samsung Galaxy Note 7 explosions are statistically rare, but Samsung recalled them and took a major hit to their brand (and stock). The FAA won't let you turn on or charge a Galaxy Note 7 while flying.

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    Samsung Galaxy Note 7 explosions are statistically rare, but Samsung recalled them and took a major hit to their brand (and stock). The FAA won't let you turn on or charge a Galaxy Note 7 while flying.
    Samsung Galaxy Note 7's don't have human rights.

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    If the level of additional risk to any given person in the US is less than that of, say, choking to death on food, how do you justify NOT allowing people who might be tortured/killed into the country?
    Why do you give Syrians such a priority to become Americans? I mean if it is just about compassion then why aren't you making the same argument to bring over a billion+ people from around the world because they are suffering?

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    Samsung Galaxy Note 7's don't have human rights.
    but but but... corporations are people

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    Why do you give Syrians such a priority to become Americans?
    Because it was USA (Repugs) who destabilized the M/E for BigOil, leading directly the current storm.

    USA's empire of greed caused the Syrians suffering, USA should be more open to accepting ITS Syrian and other refugees.

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    Samsung Galaxy Note 7 explosions are statistically rare, but Samsung recalled them and took a major hit to their brand (and stock). The FAA won't let you turn on or charge a Galaxy Note 7 while flying.
    I'm confused here again. What is your point?

    Are you trying to equate human beings to defective smart phones?

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    Why do you give Syrians such a priority to become Americans? I mean if it is just about compassion then why aren't you making the same argument to bring over a billion+ people from around the world because they are suffering?
    Be happy to answer your question, if you would do me the respect of answering mine first. I didn't think it was that hard, and feel it is important.

    If the level of additional risk to any given person in the US is less than that of, say, choking to death on food, how do you justify NOT allowing people who might be tortured/killed into the country?


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    You have asked a very good and important question, imo. It should be answered by anyone taking my position, but you first.

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    Polygraphs seem useless to me.

    There are five levels of reviews.

    Do you think that is necessary for a widow with 2-5 kids?



    Or can we just take a pass on administering polygraphs to 5 year olds?

    Not all the refugees fall into this category, but it would be easily possible to get 100,000+ that fall into just that category.

    Get in a family man with everything to lose, i.e. wife and children, should he get the same treatment?

    Lastly, we lose 35,000 people each year to car crashes.

    If the level of additional risk to any given person in the US is less than that of, say, choking to death on food, how do you justify NOT allowing people who might be tortured/killed into the country?
    Um, yeah it's important that the mother get polygraphed. Not the young kids of course, but adolescents definitely need to be. That's not to say that those slightly-to-mildly-to-very brainwashed adolescents are immediately dangerous (although some can definitely be), but that they're potentially headed there. Kids younger than that are still really impressionable & changeable in their thoughts & behaviors. I worry less about them. But, yes, women (oh! poor, innocent, harmless women--GMAFB. Women have played both active & passive roles in the spread of extremism & terrorism) & adolescents should be polygraphed.

    And the polygraph need not only be used as a weeding out tool. It can allow insight into the kind & extent of the counseling they might need to better adapt based on how they score.

    As you rightly pointed out, the vast vast majority of refugees being let in are not terrorists. I'm not worried about most refugees. I'm only worried about a potential small minority. But it only takes a dozen nutjobs to distort the perception Americans (& the rest of the world) have of Muslims by killing a thousand people, or even a dozen people, or by brainwashing/recruiting more people, who repeat the cycle. Additionally, it also ramps up the stress of living in the U.S. for Muslims already living here, as they then get even more alienated from the rest of society. It's more than death statistics. Your sandwich-to-Muslim comparison is a twisted, gross dehumanization.

    We have to get into the minds of these refugees the best we can, & I don't see how employing the polygraph shouldn't/wouldn't play a big role in that regard.

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    Polygraphs seem useless to me.

    There are five levels of reviews.

    Do you think that is necessary for a widow with 2-5 kids?



    Or can we just take a pass on administering polygraphs to 5 year olds?

    Not all the refugees fall into this category, but it would be easily possible to get 100,000+ that fall into just that category.

    Get in a family man with everything to lose, i.e. wife and children, should he get the same treatment?

    Lastly, we lose 35,000 people each year to car crashes.

    If the level of additional risk to any given person in the US is less than that of, say, choking to death on food, how do you justify NOT allowing people who might be tortured/killed into the country?
    lol but what about black on black crime

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    Be happy to answer your question, if you would do me the respect of answering mine first. I didn't think it was that hard, and feel it is important.

    If the level of additional risk to any given person in the US is less than that of, say, choking to death on food, how do you justify NOT allowing people who might be tortured/killed into the country?


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    You have asked a very good and important question, imo. It should be answered by anyone taking my position, but you first.

    Hmmm... I don't think I've ever said we shouldn't take in any refugees or even commented seriously on the topic. I don't have strong views on the subject. I'm not a progressive so I don't feel we have some moral obligation to save everyone on the planet or solve everyone's problems. We let millions of desperate people die every year that we could save if we wanted to. It never bothered your side of the fence before (or my side).

    To stick with the Skittles=Islamic Refugees analogy...

    I'm not scared of a poison skittle but I'll admit that overall I think skittles are a fairly ty choice of candy. I mean I'll eat them if that's the only bite size candy available but you put them next to a bowl of M&M's and I'll pick the M&M's every time. I don't think I have a moral obligation to eat all the skittles while the M&M's melt away in my hand.

    I think you'll agree that none of us are capable of eating all the bite size candies on the planet. I do feel that because we are Americans we are obligated to eat a reasonable amount of bite size candy but why does it have to be Skittles?
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    "solve everyone's problems"

    when USA CAUSES other peoples' problems, USA has the obligation to help them. And the Repugs' up in Afghanistan and the Middle East is USA's responsibility.
    Last edited by boutons_deux; 02-01-2017 at 08:38 PM.

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    Turns out they aren't skittles, they're gumballs


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    Don't have the house to be able to take in an entire family.

    If I can find someone within a reasonable distance, to be able to do something meaningful, I will. Mentoring, advice, and whatever social network I can provide, with financial assistance if needed. An investment.

    Haven't really looked into it yet. Sorry if whatever plans I have are not to your timeline.
    So what have you done to help RG?

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