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    drone video

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/15/wo...gn=pubexchange

    ... meanwhile, dubya, head, rummy, Condi, wolfie, necons, DeepState, etc, relax in their multi-million dollar lives.

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    drone video

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/15/wo...gn=pubexchange

    ... meanwhile, dubya, head, rummy, Condi, wolfie, necons, DeepState, etc, relax in their multi-million dollar lives.
    How about all the Democrats who voted for the Iraq war and the current administration increasing drone strikes and letting things get worse the last 8 years?

    Thanks Democraps!!!

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    How about all the Democrats who voted for the Iraq war and the current administration increasing drone strikes and letting things get worse the last 8 years?

    Thanks Democraps!!!
    How about dubya/ head/neocons NOT LYING to America, including Dems, and to the world, bullying the CIA, to invade Iraq for BigOil?

    All the terrorism and Middle East is on the Repugs and BigOil as the prime instigators.

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    How about dubya/ head/neocons NOT LYING to America, including Dems, and to the world, bullying the CIA, to invade Iraq for BigOil?

    All the terrorism and Middle East is on the Repugs and BigOil as the prime instigators.
    The Repugs are the ones to blame, but every democrat in the senate voted for it. Bernie was an independent and voted against it. But Hillary, Kerry, Gephardt, Edwards and their kind voted for it. Obama and Hillary haven't been intelligent enough the last 8 years to make it better. So in the end, both parties suck.

    But carry on Boots.

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    The Repugs are the ones to blame, but every democrat in the senate voted for it. Bernie was an independent and voted against it. But Hillary, Kerry, Gephardt, Edwards and their kind voted for it. Obama and Hillary haven't been intelligent enough the last 8 years to make it better. So in the end, both parties suck.

    But carry on Boots.
    What did you want? Obama to get more Americans killed trying to occupy that cluster Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld left?

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    It's time for everyone to accept that there isn't a ing thing we can do about Allepo/Syria.

    We aren't gonna start WWIII over that hole and Putin knows it.

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    What did you want? Obama to get more Americans killed trying to occupy that cluster Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld left?
    The Arab Spring occurred in 2011 and was cheered on by Obama and Democrats as "Yay Democracy". So it's a little disingenuous for you to still blame all of the problems in the Middle East on Dubya. It was a ed up place before Bush, Bush ed it up more, and Obama has ed it up even more. Hillary is gonna fix that hole right up though.

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    It's time for everyone to accept that there isn't a ing thing we can do about Allepo/Syria.

    We aren't gonna start WWIII over that hole and Putin knows it.
    We could start attacking Assad's forces which we have been unwilling to do.

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    The Arab Spring occurred in 2011 and was cheered on by Obama and Democrats as "Yay Democracy". So it's a little disingenuous for you to still blame all of the problems in the Middle East on Dubya. It was a ed up place before Bush, Bush ed it up more, and Obama has ed it up even more. Hillary is gonna fix that hole right up though.
    Obama's Cairo speech was definitely encouragement for the Arab Spring uprisings. It was brewing anyway but that basically kicked it over the edge.

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    The Arab Spring occurred in 2011 and was cheered on by Obama and Democrats as "Yay Democracy". So it's a little disingenuous for you to still blame all of the problems in the Middle East on Dubya. It was a ed up place before Bush, Bush ed it up more, and Obama has ed it up even more. Hillary is gonna fix that hole right up though.
    Why is it disingenuous to blame Bush for ISIS? There was none of that in Iraq until head took out Hussein.

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    We could start attacking Assad's forces which we have been unwilling to do.
    Seriously? With what?

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    We could start attacking Assad's forces which we have been unwilling to do.
    why
    were you for the irag war?

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    The Repugs are the ones to blame, but every democrat in the senate voted for it. Bernie was an independent and voted against it.
    Your beloved knitter Pres was Dem Senator who didn't vote for Iraq.

    The Dems were lied to by the Repugs.

    All the Middle East storm and terrorism has been, is, and will be TOTALLY on the Repugs and BigOil.

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    We could start attacking Assad's forces which we have been unwilling to do.
    Yeah fighting alongside Iranian backed es against Sunnis in Iraq and then fighting alongside Sunnis against Iranian backed es just next door in Syria seems like a really good plan to achieve stability in the region.

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    Why is it disingenuous to blame Bush for ISIS? There was none of that in Iraq until head took out Hussein.
    So you think Assad is fighting ISIS in Aleppo?

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    Seriously? With what?
    The same planes we've been running out of Turkey and the Persian Gulf. We don't have a proxy. We just aid the Kurds and NSA with air power. To now we only target ISIS and no one else.

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    why
    were you for the irag war?
    Iraq wasn't undergoing a Civil War with Russia choosing a winner.

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    answer the question yes or no

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    The same planes we've been running out of Turkey and the Persian Gulf. We don't have a proxy. We just aid the Kurds and NSA with air power. To now we only target ISIS and no one else.
    You obviously don't follow news closely enough to have an informed opinion. You REALLY want to do a live test of the S-400's?

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    Iraq wasn't undergoing a Civil War with Russia choosing a winner.
    Iraq was a sectarian country that was ruled by a brutal dictator. We removed the dictator and even with 150,000 US troops and a trillion+ it fell into chaos and sectarian violence.

    What do you think is going to happen to Syria if we remove Assad from power without using the troops or the money?

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    Iraq was a sectarian country that was ruled by a brutal dictator. We removed the dictator and even with 150,000 US troops and a trillion+ it fell into chaos and sectarian violence.

    What do you think is going to happen to Syria if we remove Assad from power without using the troops or the money?
    And Iraq had no separate political iden y because of Hussein's suppression over the previous 30 years. The NSA and the Peshmerga are what they are. Go read some Clausewitz.

    The NSA and Kurds were winning until Russia stepped in 9 months ago. Assad had a media appearance where he admitted the need to retreat to the areas around Damascus.

    Next thing we know, Russia starts moving forces South and bombing the out of NSA and the Kurds.

    I'm not saying that we necessarily should do anything but this half-assed method of trying to have your cake and eat it too with selective targeting is precisely what handcuffed Westmoreland in Vietnam.

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    You obviously don't follow news closely enough to have an informed opinion. You REALLY want to do a live test of the S-400's?
    You do understand that if Russia SAMs start attacking US forces that means they provoked WW3 right? Russia took the chance of our reprisal when they started attacking our allies. That is why we are told Obama is weak etc. Either you abandon that rhetoric or put your money where your mouth is when you call him weak and feckless.

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    You are seriously advocating an air campaign against Syria and Russia?


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    What did you want? Obama to get more Americans killed trying to occupy that cluster Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld left?
    He made it worse by exacerbating the Civil War in Syria supporting the "moderate rebels" and opposing Assad which led to ISIS gaining massive territory in the region. He should have stayed out of it. And then we have him getting rid of Gadaffi in Libya, supporting the Arab spring which led to more instability. He added on to Bush's up with one cluster after another.

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    You are seriously advocating an air campaign against Syria and Russia?

    You're the one kowtowing to Soviet threats. Last week Putin threatened to use his SAMs if we participated like they were. Here you are acting like a feckless coward.

    Turkey is the strategic asset. That is where we are running sorties out of. War actually does break out then that is a big strategic problem for Putin due to simple geography.

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