LOL Jill Stein, LOL Gary Johnson

[DMC]

even if third party chances are fruitless, even the concept of a "protest vote" is a thing... when a third party gets a significant enough of votes to disrupt the 2 on top, it is a wake up call to the parties that there is a big voter base they're alienating

It's not a thing. No one panders to protest voters. They pander to swing states, because the others are basically a given thus the term "swing state". No one gives a if you vote for marijuana man. You're just throwing your vote out. You might as well not vote, it serves the same purpose.

Imagine you're on a flight and you get a poll question "chicken or fish", they are only serving one of these but there's a write in box. You write in "duck" and end up eating fish. Perhaps you would have anyhow, but you'd have preferred chicken over fish, only your vote wasn't really counted.

[z0sa]

It's not a thing. No one panders to protest voters. They pander to swing states, because the others are basically a given thus the term "swing state". No one gives a if you vote for marijuana man. You're just throwing your vote out. You might as well not vote, it serves the same purpose.

Imagine you're on a flight and you get a poll question "chicken or fish", they are only serving one of these but there's a write in box. You write in "duck" and end up eating fish. Perhaps you would have anyhow, but you'd have preferred chicken over fish, only your vote wasn't really counted.

Thats not right. This is why ppl say a vote for z is the same as voting x or y.

100 votes, 2 options, no wrote ins, chicken wins.

Then those same 100 heads vote with write ins allowed. his time fish wins because some voters want to draw attention to the fact it has only been fish vs chicken for so many flights and want to establish the idea of serving duck as a dish to be offered on the next flight's menu (for the sake of brevity, duck is the only write in that clears established threshold t). Not only is the winner changed, a statement on the available choices is voiced.

Addendum... lets go deeper and more specific, and reflect here on the Cons utional electoral college requirements. We will assume electoral=popular votes for simplicity. Now we establish that one option needs 45 votes minimum to be chosen, and no one option succeeds. The 18th century solution is giving a tiny yet proportionate section of LAST flight's voters the decision, which obviously favors the majority decision from then. This is why a 3rd party is universally considered a vote stealing campaign without legitimacy no matter what policies it supports or opposes. And this leads to today's inescapable duo of echo chambers.

Ps ty baseline bum for pointing this out for me during the primary.

[Spurminator]

I think a split of the GOP combined with a Hillary presidency would lead to a not-unreasonable chance at a 3rd Party President in 2020.

[DMC]

Thats not right. This is why ppl say a vote for z is the same as voting x or y.

100 votes, 2 options, no wrote ins, chicken wins.

Then those same 100 heads vote with write ins allowed. his time fish wins because some voters want to draw attention to the fact it has only been fish vs chicken for so many flights and want to establish the idea of serving duck as a dish to be offered on the next flight's menu (for the sake of brevity, duck is the only write in that clears established threshold t). Not only is the winner changed, a statement on the available choices is voiced.

You're saying "then everything is an anomaly all of a sudden". Everyone isn't going to write in, most vote straight ticket. Ross Perot got as close as anyone and he wasn't even within earshot. Then again, he was a billionaire. These yay-hoos who cannot gather enough money to hire media time aren't going to do anything but masturbate about being on the ticket. They might then try for a local seat.

Candidates love it when you try to "show" them by voting someone who isn't going to challenge them.

[DMC]

I think a split of the GOP combined with a Hillary presidency would lead to a not-unreasonable chance at a 3rd Party President in 2020.

Hillary will probably repeat if she wins. There's just no decent options anymore. Too much digging into people's lives, every nasty detail they ever thought, so a normal human being wouldn't stand a chance.

[CosmicCowboy]

The us system is totally stacked against a third party. Let's say a third party did really get a lot if votes and no candidate got 270 electoral votes. Then the house gets to choose and the third party still gets ed.

[z0sa]

You're saying "then everything is an anomaly all of a sudden". Everyone isn't going to write in, most vote straight ticket. Ross Perot got as close as anyone and he wasn't even within earshot. Then again, he was a billionaire. These yay-hoos who cannot gather enough money to hire media time aren't going to do anything but masturbate about being on the ticket. They might then try for a local seat.

Candidates love it when you try to "show" them by voting someone who isn't going to challenge them.

This year will probably see Stein and Johnson combine for more votes than Ross Perot "stole" then. It may or may not be amomalous, but then again, voting a straight ticket is, i believe, mostly the result of the same (in name) 'us' vs the same (in name) 'them' battling every election since Reconstruction.

[DMC]

This year will probably see Stein and Johnson combine for more votes than Ross Perot "stole" then. It may or may not be amomalous, but then again, voting a straight ticket is, i believe, mostly the result of the same (in name) 'us' vs the same (in name) 'them' battling every election since Reconstruction.

Straight ticket is a result of really having only two real stances: liberal or conservative. The middle ground people who call themselves fiscally conservative yet liberal with human rights are just looking for a paycheck. You have someone like Ron Paul who introduces a bill then votes against it. Since the senate and house are bipartisan, a 3rd party candidate would not have any real influence on either side of the isle, and we'd just get 2 years of breaking in, 2 years of campaigning. Their job is always to keep their job.

[Splits]

Shorter DMC: the top 2 tickets are completely corrupt, 3rd and 4th parties are a pipe dream, therefore derp derp derp derp

Q.E.D.

I win.

[DMC]

^ Not only corrupt but colluding with each other to keep 3rd guy out.

[DMX7]

They are both terrible. Gary Johnson makes GWB look brilliant.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The us system is totally stacked against a third party. Let's say a third party did really get a lot if votes and no candidate got 270 electoral votes. Then the house gets to choose and the third party still gets ed.

There is more than just the presidential election, dim.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Straight ticket is a result of really having only two real stances: liberal or conservative. The middle ground people who call themselves fiscally conservative yet liberal with human rights are just looking for a paycheck. You have someone like Ron Paul who introduces a bill then votes against it. Since the senate and house are bipartisan, a 3rd party candidate would not have any real influence on either side of the isle, and we'd just get 2 years of breaking in, 2 years of campaigning. Their job is always to keep their job.

Only you are limited to your categorical thinking. You definitely lack imagination, box boy.

[DMC]

Only you are limited to your categorical thinking. You definitely lack imagination, box boy.

I didn't vote for Ron Paul nor do I think the US Navy has frigates.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I didn't vote for Ron Paul nor do I think the US Navy has frigates.

And apparently too insecure to ever admit that you made a mistake and think everyone thinks the same as you. That same insecurity is likely why you won't go past facile engagement in discussions with others.

Voting third party is never a mistake unless you want one of the two major parties to win/not win.

[DMC]

And apparently too insecure to ever admit that you made a mistake and think everyone thinks the same as you. That same insecurity is likely why you won't go past facile engagement in discussions with others.

Voting third party is never a mistake unless you want one of the two major parties to win/not win.

I converse with others just fine. I just find you to be a pompous bag, likely fake as Wild Cobra.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I converse with others just fine. I just find you to be a pompous bag, likely fake as Wild Cobra.

This would make sense if we didn't have an audience in these threads. The reality is that it doesn't matter if it is basketball or politics; your posts are both absent of substance and rife with bombast. It's reminiscent of Trump.

[DMC]

This would make sense if we didn't have an audience in these threads. The reality is that it doesn't matter if it is basketball or politics; your posts are both absent of substance and rife with bombast. It's reminiscent of Trump.

Yet you continue to address me.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This year will probably see Stein and Johnson combine for more votes than Ross Perot "stole" then. It may or may not be amomalous, but then again, voting a straight ticket is, i believe, mostly the result of the same (in name) 'us' vs the same (in name) 'them' battling every election since Reconstruction.

Ross Perot got >15% of the vote in 1992; the OU/ on what the current two are going to get is around 11. They were basically the same demographic that is now the tea party.

The biggest problem in our political system right now is legitimate political movements like the Tea Party, libertarians, and environmentalists cannot be represented directly. It also stifles undesirable ideology and method. We have no neo nazi party for example. You also end up with people that do not know how to think outside of those 2 boxes and a media that is by and large pigeonholed.

In some case it could be argued that it is a good thing. Many of Trump supporters would become the backbone of a white nationalist party and that is suppressed by GOP leadership; proportional representation would likely result in one forming. Personally, I don't think pretending like something doesn't exist when it does is a poor solution and boils down to willful ignorance. We need better plurality in our congress. Maybe then we could have a real discussion about race.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yet you continue to address me.

So getting someone to respond to you is an accomplishment in your brain? That is a pretty low bar.