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    Murray is nowhere near close to ready.

    They need to Send him to Austin and find a suitbale defensive Guard that can shoot.
    They're saying they've been impressed with Murray's D. That's the important thing. He doesn't have to be a good scorer or shooter right now. He just has to do something better than the other PGs. It shouldn't be hard to for him to become a better defender.

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    They're saying they've been impressed with Murray's D. That's the important thing. He doesn't have to be a good scorer or shooter right now. He just has to do something better than the other PGs. It shouldn't be hard to for him to become a better defender.
    That's how Cojo got his time b4 he figured out his game, just hustle and defensive plays. But Cojo was a steady guard who wasn't going to be throwing the ball all over the place or taking crazy shots at a low % so he could blend in. Murray's aggressiveness and daring crazy stuff though is what makes him unique. I think he needs to get better at his own game. Really only one season in college in which he got by on athleticism alone won't cut it at the next level and I want him to get better at his own game bc that's what's going to make him special for the team.

    I don't want Murray to play mostly off the ball bc he's not steady enough of a ballhandler to be relied on in games for example. In that case I'd rather he gets dleague and as much ballhandling opportunities as he can handle down there and get better at his own thing.

    At the same time though, I feel like if Tony or Manu were a couple of years younger, the Spurs could afford to bring him along. Dijon might find playing time sooner, specially if there are issues with guys injured. (Danny's hammy injury reminds us the iron man can get sidelined too). He might indeed end up playing more than we thought in a smaller role playing off Kawhi and the stars like Cojo did.

    Crazy as it sounds I think the faster route to get him ready to play at this level is a mix of NBA whenever there are opportunities, together with tough coaching and as much dleague his first season as he can handle when everyone is healthy. He needs the ball and to work on his overall game and I don't see enough of that in the big team if he's off the ball often, and his own personal overall game is what's going to make him special and help the team long run.

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    He doesn't need any dleague. He has the primary skill of beating his man off the dribble at an NBA level. Fathead doesn't even have one.

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    That's how Cojo got his time b4 he figured out his game, just hustle and defensive plays. But Cojo was a steady guard who wasn't going to be throwing the ball all over the place or taking crazy shots at a low % so he could blend in. Murray's aggressiveness and daring crazy stuff though is what makes him unique. I think he needs to get better at his own game. Really only one season in college in which he got by on athleticism alone won't cut it at the next level and I want him to get better at his own game bc that's what's going to make him special for the team.

    I don't want Murray to play mostly off the ball bc he's not steady enough of a ballhandler to be relied on in games for example. In that case I'd rather he gets dleague and as much ballhandling opportunities as he can handle down there and get better at his own thing.

    At the same time though, I feel like if Tony or Manu were a couple of years younger, the Spurs could afford to bring him along. Dijon might find playing time sooner, specially if there are issues with guys injured. (Danny's hammy injury reminds us the iron man can get sidelined too). He might indeed end up playing more than we thought in a smaller role playing off Kawhi and the stars like Cojo did.

    Crazy as it sounds I think the faster route to get him ready to play at this level is a mix of NBA whenever there are opportunities, together with tough coaching and as much dleague his first season as he can handle when everyone is healthy. He needs the ball and to work on his overall game and I don't see enough of that in the big team if he's off the ball often, and his own personal overall game is what's going to make him special and help the team long run.
    I don't disagree with that. Thing with Cory is that a) He wasn't that great of a defender and b) Even as good as he was, his size limited his versatility. Murray definitely has a higher defensive ceiling. I think it's his offense that is a bit behind where Cory was. Anyway, I think the Spurs can afford to bring him along quickly (for example as a regular rotation player rather than Simmons, Lee or Bertans) if he shows he's the third-best perimeter defender on the team (not counting that Manu and Anderson are both serviceable with Manu being really underrated there so long as he doesn't take tough assignments). Especially in small-ball lineups, his elite rebounding ability would be a plus.

    If he can't get into the rotation until he's ready to be a star, he'll have a slower progression than Anderson. If he can show he can some little things that the team needs, he'll have a chance to grow into a star on the fly. Pretty much what Pop was saying about Simmons but for someone seven years younger.

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    I don't disagree with that. Thing with Cory is that a) He wasn't that great of a defender and b) Even as good as he was, his size limited his versatility. Murray definitely has a higher defensive ceiling. I think it's his offense that is a bit behind where Cory was. Anyway, I think the Spurs can afford to bring him along quickly (for example as a regular rotation player rather than Simmons, Lee or Bertans) if he shows he's the third-best perimeter defender on the team (not counting that Manu and Anderson are both serviceable with Manu being really underrated there so long as he doesn't take tough assignments). Especially in small-ball lineups, his elite rebounding ability would be a plus.

    If he can't get into the rotation until he's ready to be a star, he'll have a slower progression than Anderson. If he can show he can some little things that the team needs, he'll have a chance to grow into a star on the fly. Pretty much what Pop was saying about Simmons but for someone seven years younger.
    That is a good point and you are right, Anderson had to do a lot of blue collar stuff to even earn Pop's trust, and the benchings were defensive lapses related. He can't afford to take his mind off what he's supposed to be doing for even a second bc he's not going to recover in time and Pop drilled that through his head the tough way.

    Kawhi is a good example for Dijon. He got on the rotation right away, bc his defensive upside was there from the first day and he was able to contribute right away, and only got better with experience in the league. He worked on his offensive game and improved each season getting to where he is, but he started with the blue collar stuff. Danny got his own spot and playing time due to defense and Pop still gets on him if his attention is not where it needs to be.

    It may very well be that Dijon's path to playing time is similar and if he knows it and is ready to work on the blue collar stuff initially, he may end up playing more than I thought. He has more defensive potential than J.Simms who has never grabbed boards or forced TO like Dijon, and has his own issues.

    The backcourt is just too fragile with older guys right now and Pop is hopeful J.Simms will be solid, but it remains to be seen.

    Bottom line for Lapro, they may still want to pick up a PG that is steady and can help manage the game when they do need it or to bench Dijon if his attention span is all over the place.

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    I'm not all that impressed so far based on the first 5 minutes of the first preseason game, tbh.

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    Didn't find a church of Lapro.
    Dropping this link here:
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    I'm not paying a dollar to read that . Someone copy and paste the content here.

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    Members of the
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    What are we talking about?

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    What are we talking about?
    I raised my flag. I like Lapro. lol so does ceperez. Apparently this church has two members.... A proper insi ution will have to be raised. I leave those honors to ceperez.

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    I raised my flag. I like Lapro. lol so does ceperez. Apparently this church has two members.... A proper insi ution will have to be raised. I leave those honors to ceperez.
    I thought he put on some nasty performance or something. Then checked the results and the Spurs hadn't played

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    I thought he put on some nasty performance or something. Then checked the results and the Spurs hadn't played
    I am not sure what you mean just now...
    There was a recent scrimmage that you can check in facebook where he played very well and his last game against the Heat he was fine.

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    I am not sure what you mean just now...
    There was a recent scrimmage that you can check in facebook where he played very well and his last game against the Heat he was fine.
    Oh I see. I meant that I thought the Spurs played that same night and he played great.

    Thanks for the info

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