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wow. you just might be the stupidest person on spurstalk.
You hate to say it?
from july:
Then you did not say it.
You have no F'N answer. "I said we should have, but... But....."
Who do you play at point?
Dumbass.
wow. you just might be the stupidest person on spurstalk.
Very True.
We don't need him to score. We really should not need him at all. But we don't have another player who can handle the ball well and space the floor without going completely into turnover mode if pressed. He takes pressure off getting set up. Ideally he should be able to more but he is not able to.
The point is that distribution keep the ball safe relive pressure guy does not exist. This is important with a 24 second/ 8 second half court rule. It's something we should NOT have to worry about as it is basic but we do have to worry about it for a 48 minute game.
The only reason I can think of is that the bench would lose their kick.
Look, I don't think it's TP's fault that the team completely changed it's makeup. It's just that the way this team is built, there's really no clear cut role for him. The "floor general" role might work out when you're playing a faster-pace game, and you need somebody to dictate the tempo (the bench does this a lot), but our starting lineup is postup-ISO-postup-ISO and Tony has no role there. The few outlets are for shooters when a double comes in, and TP just doesn't have a reliable shot (and yes, I'm ecstatic whenever he does have a night when he shoots well, but that's far from his forte).
It's just a tough spot for him and the Spurs, and I'm sure Pop is going to continue to try to make it work, and Tony will keep saying the right things. But when you look at his face sitting in the bench, you can tell it's tough, tbh. I'm not saying that to bag on him, it has to be tough. I'm sure TD and MG went through some of the same stuff until they found their new niche.
Parker with Manu 2nd team is a waste. Parker is nowhere close to the shooter Patty is now. This then puts Manu in a need to score mode.
No work.
Last edited by pgardn; 10-31-2016 at 01:11 AM.
don't waste too much time on him elnono.
I'm having a good convo here, tbh... being confrontational about this makes no sense, we all want the Spurs to do well...
If you are a true Spurs fan and hate Kawhi smack yourself..... Best player on the team and top 5 in the L.
That being said Tony is near done, he lost more than a few steps and his J is not good so he is a decoy.
I understand completely what you are saying. I personally would bench Parker completely and have Patty 2nd or even 1st unit with the correct partner. But who is that guy? Because it's pretty clear what Patty is and is not.
you're giving him too much credit.
tp sat out the end of the 4th quarter tonight. spurs won.
oh, and after 3 games tp has more turnovers than patty has in 4.
Starting Patty with Danny or Bertrans would be a good idea, IMO, you're talking relatively pure and confident shooters. But DAF put it succinctly in this thread earlier: if you move Patty to the SL, TP is probably going to wreck what the bench has going for them, so that's why I'm saying it's a tough situation all around.
But Tony isn't going anywhere unless he asks to be moved, tbh. That's another thing Spursfan need to get drilled in their heads. Tony is going to have to get that shot going, or he's gonna sulk on the bench at times. Again, not his fault this team went in a different direction. I suspect winning will make everything work for the better. A lot easier to have people buy into stuff when things are going your way and you're seeing results.
patty has more assists and less turnovers than parker so far this season.
Kyle will probably wreck it once he goes back to it anyway. Might as well keep TP in the SL.
If I was facing the Spurs with a Green-Mills backcourt I would press full court whoever was brining the ball up the entire time that lineup was in. Force KL to bring it up with pressure starting halfcourt. ESPECIALLY in the playoffs. Blood in the water. I would love that lineup as an opposing coach.
Because his backup sucks.
Not sure what you mean by that. Patty has brought the ball up plenty, even when Manu ends up running plays. He's done it in the playoffs, including the NBA Finals. He's actually a tough cover dribbling due to his speed and generally good handles. He's not a prolific passer, but protecting the ball certainly isn't one of his problems. A full-court press strategy is short lived too. It's only effective as a surprise mechanism, but pretty easy to foil once you know it's coming.
Now Simmons or Danny, yeah, definitely wouldn't want them bringing the ball up. So you don't do that. Kawhi is not bad either these days, especially now that he seems to be getting "star" calls.
not a kyle fan, but he would look better starting with patty.
i don't see any reason why someone would play better playing with parker.
parker doesn't make players better. you can say patty doesn't either... okay. but you know what? patty gets the ball up the court quick, is always hustling, never over dribbling, can shoot, probably the most encouraging teammate.
i wanted patty to start last year even when he couldn't shoot. i knew parker wouldn't have been a difference maker. with patty starting the ball is in kawhi's hands more by default. where it should be.
parker off the bench isn't a good fit if he still can't change his mentality, i already know that.
manu is the oldest spur but parker is the only relic of the past.
parker relied on his athleticism. manu's intangibles are still intact. he was on the floor to close the game out. it wasn't the first time parker had one of the best seats in the house.
basketball reference has Parker's PER after the Miami game at 3.4.
That is shockingly terrible. Patty is at 25.7.
The departed West and Diaw duo of disappointment are at -1.2 and -8.3 respectively, pure negatives.
Basically this
This.
Also, as someone pointed out, moving Tony to the bench with Manu makes their skill set redundant. When Patty is paired with Manu, Mills is the shooting guard while Manu usually initiates the offense. Moving Tony to the bench doesn't really help anyone as Tony isn't a shooter like Patty. So the choice is keep him in the first team or drop him out of the rotation altogether. And Tony is still better than Forbes, Nic or Murray at this point. So he still should start. But Mills will, and should, and is, playing at crunch time.
Just happy they were able to get rid of the trash in the front-court. So glad West left, and the writing was on the wall with Diaw last May. He looks like he's checked out with basketball tbh..
All the while, Dedmon and Lee are posting PERs of 25 and 27 respectively.
It's going to be interesting to see how Parkers next 2 years will play out. The guy is done as a NBA player.
Spurs can only be so loyal to a fault, right?
Because Patty averaged 4 points and 2 assists on 42% shooting in the Thunder series LAST YEAR. Once Parker has a series even close to that bad, maybe PATFO will consider it.
1. TP will never be traded not matter how bad he gets
2. Patty is not a PG. It's ok to play him at the end of a game when Kawhi is running the offense, i.e. willing the team to a win.
Didn't even read.. sorry if I'm redundant.
Thanks.
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