***** The Official 2015 Avante Football Thread *****

[Avante]

A few thoughts now that we have had some time to get a real feel for things.

The Vikes must find a running game.

Jay Ajayi the perfect blend of power/agility/speed, a mix of Csonka & Mercury.

Could the lack of mobility actually be a blessing in disgiuse for Russell Wilson? Now he must stand tall in the pocket. Some of his passes last night were amazing.

A big power back and two big power TE's, now add a quick cat Julian Edelman and the greatest QB playing the game today and a HOF head coach, who can beat the Pats?

How did I miss this OBVIOUS "spot".....Vikes on the road coming off a bye vs a team that had just been embarrashed now at home....duh~~~~

The Chargers the one team in the league FAR better than their record.

Speaking of the Chargers....why ya slow the down...Melvin Gordon.

What's with Todd Gurley, too many burgers?

Best division....NFC East, not a weakling there. Obviously the worst...AFC South.

Ya know how hard it is to be a Niner fan today? Kelly has to go the guy hasn't a clue in the pro game.

Three tiers...

A joke...Browns, Bears, Niners, Jags (if the Panthers lose one more)
Legit shot at playing in the Championship games.

Seattle, Arizona, GB, Philly, Dallas, Minn
NE, Den, KC, Pitt, Oak,

Also ran....everyone else.


Went 9-4 (had GB) so 70 wins with Denver tonight. Yep, hitting what I always do... 10 (average) wins a week.

61-32 also as ya know.

NYG @ LA (London)
NO @ KC...........................**************** Chiefs win it.
MIN @ PHI (surprise pick of the week)*********** Vikes win it.
IND @ TEN
BUF @ MIA*************** Bills win it.
WAS @ DET************************************Lions win it.
CLE @ CIN (safety pick of the week)
OAK @ JAX
BAL @ NYJ
SD @ ATL
TB @ SF
NE @ PIT
SEA @ AZ

HOU @ DEN

[Avante]

No Nelson with the Cards or Goodwin with the Bills are not.....he's the fastest player in the NFL....where these announcers get that, ???????

The fastest player right now today is the Chiefs....Tyreek Hill.....trust me. Thr fastest Chiefs....

Stone Johnson WR200/Olympian
Jamaal Charles 10.18
Ken Thomas 10.0m
Joe Delaney 9.4 (ran on an NCAA winning 4x1 team at NWLa with NFLers to be Mark Duper and Victor Oatis on it)
Sammie Parker 10.17
Eddie Kennison NFL Fatest Man winner
Warren McVea 9.5

If he had stayed in track he had a very legit shot at making our Olympic 200m team, here he is winning the Big12 60.




Funny watching that announcer who..."Goodwin the fastest player"...saying...."what's that a long jump?".....Goodwin an Olympic long jumper not a sprinter.

[Avante]

We rarely see an NFL caliber RB who ran the 400m. A lot have hurdled like Gurley, Elliott or ran the 100m like Charles, Chris Johnson but not many ran the 4x4 relay.

Paul Robinson who was the first Bengal to have a 1000 yard season ran the 400 hurdles/4x4 while at Arizona. HOFer Ollie Matson was an Olympic 400/4x4 medalist, he was a Chicago Card/Ram.

As we can see Ajayi ran the 4x4 relay.
A 220 pounder running 400m, whoa~~~~

Ajayi was born in London, England to Nigerian parents and moved to Maryland in the United States when he was seven years old in 2000.^[1][2] He eventually moved to Texas, where he attended Frisco Liberty High School. As a senior, he rushed for 2,240 yards and had 35 touchdowns.^[3] He also earned one varsity letter in track & field as a member of the 4x400-meter (3:21.75), 4 × 200 m (1:29.44) and 4 × 100 m (42.86) district championship teams.^[4]

[Avante]

What you want to look at here is Net Pts. That tells the tale right there. And we do have to wait until around now, to get a real read.

http://www.nfl.com/standings

[Avante]

Nothing tells us about a team anymore than winning on the road does. Good teams will...6-2.

So who the best road win? Will ignore beating weaklings.

Cards....0
Falcons....Denver
Ravens...0
Bills...NE
Panthers...0
Bears....0
Bengals....0
Browns...hahaha~~~~
Cowboys....GB
Broncos...Cincy
Liona...0
Packers....0
Texans...0
Colts....0
Jags...0
Chiefs...Oakland
Rams...Arizona
Dolphins...0
Vikes...0
Pats...Arizona, Pitt
Saints...0
Giants...Cowboys
Jets....Buff
Raiders...0
Eagles...0
Steelers....Wash
Chargers...Atlanta
Niners....0
Seahawks...0
Buc;s...Atlanta
ans...Detroit
Redskins...NYG

[UNT Eagles 2016]

5-3 is just fine for an elite team along with 7-1 or better at home tbh.

[Avante]

5-3 is just fine for an elite team along with 7-1 or better at home tbh.

I agree, 5-3. 7-1....yep!

While bad teams can't win on the road. And usually are 3-5ish at home.

[Avante]

I just saw the most amazing td pass in the history of football. Something I'm sure you will see sooner ot later somewhere.

It was in a HS game and thrown by a junior QB. The guy takes off right, then does a Magic Johnson behind the back toss to his receiver standing in the endzone, totally amazing. A behind the back TD pass, yep......a first~~~

See if it's on youtube yet.

Well I'll be damn, while looking for that pass I was talking about I found this, it is almost as incredible.





Of course the greatest play is that 15 lateral Trinity College play.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

^ Yeah, and if it's intercepted? The poor kid is a special teams player on junior varsity by the next day.

[Avante]

^ Yeah, and if it's intercepted? The poor kid is a special teams player on junior varsity by the next day.

I think it's pretty obvious they worked on that play and it was something a coach came up with so the kid was just following orders. And we don't know the score of the game, I'm guessing they had a nice lead.

Saw a grade school play were the QB simply picked the ball up and walked over to a ref, yep, then he took off running....ha~~~~

[UNT Eagles 2016]

^ laff

[Avante]

^ laff

[Avante]

Another black QB replacing a white one, expect to be seeing a lot of this from here on out. That ability run, to extend a play, evade the pass rush a biggie.

If a QB can hurt ya (not just move around in the pocket) with the run that put's a whole other level of stress on a defense.

There are more black QB 's at big time college programs than ever before. And where does the NFL get their QB's?

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At the half way mark using a ranking system I use it looks like this (Vikes will beat the Bears)

Arizona 11
Atlanta 15~~~~~~~~~~
Baltimore 10
Buffalo 13
Carolina 8
Chicago 6
Cincinnati 11
Cleveland 5
Dallas 18~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Denver 17~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Detroit 14
Green Bay 12
Houston 15
Indy 11
Jacksonville 9
KC 17~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
LA 11
Miami 11
Minnesota 15~~~~~~~~~
New England 21~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
New Orleans 11
New York Giants 14
New York Jets 10
Oakland 19~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Philly 13
Pittsburgh 12
San Diego 13
San Francisco 5
Seattle 12
Tampa Bay 12
Tennessee 13
Washington 13

Winning on the road is HUGE at all levels of football, the Pats 4-0 on the road, the Raiders 5-0.

[Avante]

Tyreek Hill needs to play a bigger role in that Chiefs offense, as I mentioned he is the fastest player in the NFL in 2016.

[Avante]

Every single game we see played in the NFL we see a play where the refs got in wrong, yep, he didn't catch it/INT, yes it was a fumble, no it wasn't etc. Imagine the game back before instant replay. All those plays where the refs got it wrong and it stayed wrong, hmmmmmm?

[chunticakes]

Bears or Vikings tonight Avante?

I need to pick one for a tie breaker.

[Avante]

Bears or Vikings tonight Avante?

I need to pick one for a tie breaker.

Chicago as a home dog on MNF....4-3
Vikes as a RF....0-4.

So we a conflict here. The better team with the inferior ATS "spot". Sorry but this is a pass.

Vikes SU, but that won't help ya. A good team coming off a loss, golden as far as SU goes.

Bears are heading into a bye week.

The Vikes are 5-2 last 7 ATS vs Chicago, but this is MNF.

[chunticakes]

Chicago as a home dog on MNF....4-3
Vikes as a RF....0-4.

So we a conflict here. The better team with the inferior ATS "spot". Sorry but this is a pass.

Vikes SU, but that won't help ya. A good team coming off a loss, golden as far as SU goes.

Bears are heading into a bye week.

The Vikes are 5-2 last 7 ATS vs Chicago, but this is MNF.

Exactly. I don't know who to take lol

[Avante]

Exactly. I don't know who to take lol

There are usually only 3-5 really solid ATS plays a week, trying to elimated all but those is the trick and yep, time consuming.

I have no doubts the Vikes win the game but how can I buck a...0-4...trend, and I don't need to.

[Avante]

Why ya don't get too jacked up early in a season.

The Vikes were cooking, they were going to do this and do that, they were 5-0 and .....

Now look at them, but......

Like I have mentioned, NFL teams do not put out the same amount off intensity from week to week, yep, they are just trying to make the playoffs so if they can take a week off they do. The Packers had lost, the Lions had lost, the Bears are no threat so what did we see out of the Vikings tonight, yep......not interested, they are sitting pretty.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

As of tonight, the 2016 pick em contest between myself and Avante is officially over -- we'll call it a draw.

It's because my "safety" pick (survive or die pick) was the Vikings winning over the Bears, so by the rules I've always played by, if you lose a safety pick you're eliminated from contention. Since Avante doesn't do "safety picks", we can't give him the victory here, so it's a draw.

[chunticakes]

You can't stop Avante...you can only hope to contain him.

[Avante]

As of tonight, the 2016 pick em contest between myself and Avante is officially over -- we'll call it a draw.

It's because my "safety" pick (survive or die pick) was the Vikings winning over the Bears, so by the rules I've always played by, if you lose a safety pick you're eliminated from contention. Since Avante doesn't do "safety picks", we can't give him the victory here, so it's a draw.

Notice how I couldn't play the Vikes ATS ...on the road on MNF? They are now 0-5 in that "spot". You couldn't find a better game than that to play?

The best play on the board was the Pats over Buffalo, who beats the Pats twice in a season?

[Avante]

Now that we have a nice sample size ?(not two/three weeks, sheesh~~~~)

The Cowboys and Eagles are set at QB for the next decade.

Russell Wilson is hurting.

The Vikes have no running game.

Elliott is the real deal.

The Browns were stupid for passing up on Wentz, and RGIII....ha~~~~

Cam Newton is a flake.

Chip Kelly is an idiot and Colin Kaepernick needs his ass kicked.

The Pats are simply on another wrung of the ladder right now.

Way WAY too many injuries, it's ridiculous.

By the time he retires THE GRONK will be the best TE who ever played the game.

What happened to Todd Gurley?

The Raiders will be in a serious SB hunt, soon.

NEVER EVER....get all giddy over anything the first few weeks of any season, the Vikes a prime example.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

NEVER EVER....get all giddy over anything the first few weeks of any season, the Vikes a prime example .

Atlanta last year? Arizona 2014?