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Actually this board has wanted him to play less and less of a role for years. Now he is and you guys hold it against him. I would expect nothing less from people who don't hold logic in high regards.
Some of us noticed his decline start in the second half of 14'
Screw his PPG he averaged during that run when he stat padded points in lopsided victories and vs. Barea/ Calderon in 1st round.
He was 8th -12th in every advanced stat that playoff run.
9th on the team in VORP - Value over replacement player
12th on the team in DRPM - Defensive Points Per 100 Possessions a Player contributed over a League- Average Player, translated to an average team -- His DRPM was -1.3.
11th on the team in ORPM- Offensive Points Per 100 Possessions a Player contributed over a League- Average Player, translated to an average team -- His OPM was 0.00.
13th on the team in Win Shares Per 48 -- at a whopping .071
8th on the team in PER at 15.8
12th on the team in BPM -- At - 1.2
His hero balling in game 6 and 7 of the Finals in 13' was a big reason for the loss in 13'. Same for 15'. Same for 16'. The guy has been declining for a long while now. Last year the Tony Parker of old would show up once every 10 games but that wasn't good enough.
It's time for the Spurs to move on. If they can move on from Avery Johnson, surely they can move on from Tony. Let's see if Pop has the stones to do it.
Actually this board has wanted him to play less and less of a role for years. Now he is and you guys hold it against him. I would expect nothing less from people who don't hold logic in high regards.
Tony wasn't going to become Stockton, Kidd or Paul overnight no matter how much he hoped to be or said he would be. Those players just have level of court-vision and passing skill that Tony will never, ever possess.
He can pick his spots better and try to remain a threat on offense. That doesn't mean having "tunnel vision" for entire possessions, but playing off of Kawhi, LaMarcus and Pau better. Obviously, losing Timmy (and their chemistry together), trying to integrate Pau and taking a backseat to Kawhi/LaMarcus has effected his game.
That being said, 5.5 PPG & 4 APG is completely unacceptable even at his declining standards. The next few weeks will say a lot about if he has anything left or if this is it for Parker as a NBA caliber player.
You know Tony sucks when the likes of Tim Frazier (15.3 PPG & 9.3 APG) and Ish Smith (10.8 PPG & 7.5 APG) are putting up better numbers. Pathetic......
Agreed... I still think once Green comes back he can be more spread out and start taking more 3's once the defense collapses or Kawhi/LMA/Pau are doubled. I'd really like to see how that starting 5 operates once the spacing improves a bit with Green's return.
People love to hate the guy on here, it's hilarious. He isn't getting traded unless he requests one, I think it's that simple.
Just out of curiosity...who led the team last year in those advanced stats? Boban.
Thankfully Tony never became a career loser like Stockton or CP3 or Westbrook.
That photoshop of Pop n Bonner in wedding ceremony.
Can we get one with Pop n Parker?
So people complain when he shoots too much, then complain when his ppg is low? He's taking 6 shots per game, and shooting at a very low 33%. There is like 0 chance his % stays that low. This isn't the first season he's come out the gates slow, give him a month or so to get his legs under him.
He is only playing 5 more mpg than Patty, so it's not like Pop is playing him big minutes either. This is the most iso dominant team he's probably played on since prime TD. It's going to be an adjustment. But he's handling it well overall.
We already knew what his defense was the last few years, it is what it is at this point. But again, not having Green out there hurts them overall too.
To the idiots finding the excuse, " well its his lesser role."
The only value he had on the team was his offense. Even when he tries to be aggressive offensively in spots, he's incapable of executing because he no longer has the ability. It's not his lesser role, its his inability to be effective when he tries on the offensive end.
At the same time, the offensive end is only half of the game. In the other half of the game, on defense, the guy is atrocious. There's no positives with him playing. He brings zero to the team besides his name and resume. Unfortunately his name and resume don't mean a damn thing to the success of the team in 2016/2017.
Respect what he's done for this team during the greatest era that we'll ever see, but that time is gone. Stop holding on.
Boban didn't play in the playoffs. Boban is irrelevant and he saw limited minutes and a lot of those minutes were in mop up duty during the regular season.
Those stats I pointed out where from the playoffs in a big starting role in the 2014 playoff run.
Cute try though.
The "idiots" you're talking about are Pop & RC, who aren't overreacting morons. "Oh no! We lost one game! We went two years without winning a championship! Blow it up! Rebuild! (2013) Trade Manu! (2015) Trade Parker! We could never win with them!"
I wonder why Peter Holt never put you guys in the front office.
I remember TiMVP bringing this point up - about how speed/quickness based PG's decline rapidly in their early 30's - way before other people in the fanbase latched on to the narrative. It became an important part of people's shtick at the time and Tony's declining play fed into it.
Not sure what kick y'all get out of constantly attempting to discredit his importance to 2013 and 2014. (LMAO that his "heroballing" lost game 6 when he put the team in positon to win, but they came up a rebound short.)
As if Avery Johnson was anything more than a marginal, if not bad, NBA starting PG. He benefitted (likely many say Tony has with Tim) by playing on one of the greatest defensive frontcourts ever (in 1999) and spoon feeding easy assists to a freak athlete like David (prior to '98). He was never, ever the talent Tony is/was and is only remembered fondly by Spur fans (that forget he was an undersized journeyman).
It is easy to get past a mediocre player, but it is usually hard, if not impossible, with HOF talent. Ask the Chicago Bulls, Utah Jazz, Brooklyn/New Jersey Nets and countless other franchises.
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TP is just a terrible pg. He's never been a true pg, more of an undersized sg. And while he is taking less shots he's still giving us absolutely nothing else.
Boban didn't play in the playoffs?
No one said anything about less and less production when he is on the floor. The thought was that he play less of an offensive role and be more of a distributor. Now he's playing less time and just being putrid. Terrible defense, lack of interest and poor shooting. He looks lost now.
Its pretty simple really. His speed is gone, and he doesn't have a consistent shot. He sucks, but the Spurs made that bed and are now sleeping in it.
Crazy how a "terrible" PG is the winningest player in NBA history and continues to win as the starting PG while doing what PG's do...lead their team in assists EVERY YEAR (except for guys like Curry, Irving, etc.)...while also leading his team in scoring for a large part of his career (something most point guards don't do).
Why are people idiots for saying that it's his lesser role? The respect (or lackthereof) on this board is absolutely pathetic lol. People can't have discussions or debates without folks getting disrespectful.
His FGA and USG both have been on the decline the last few years, so it's obvious they are moving away from him and have been for some time now. He shot 42% & 41% respectively from the 3 the last 2 years. He will still have the ball some and as we saw last night can knock down the mid range and finish around the rim. But his role will be to try and get other guys open looks (he has ran the Pick & Pop w/Pau & LMA successfully several times), and hopefully once Green gets back, they can both knock down shots from the corner.
He's a capable 3 point shooter, with poor defense at this point. (he's not the only one of those in the league either) Him being relegated to a spot up shooter with occasionally handling the ball is not the worst thing in the world like people make it seem.
If the only good thing you can say about your starting of is "he's shooting less" then you're probably screwed.
Sucks to be sleeping in the bed of winning a championship every 4 years on average and winning 67 games and this year being off to the best start in franchise history.
Where did I say blow it up? Where did I say rebuild. Where did I ever say trade Manu?
I'm saying Parker is done. And the excuse for his play because of his lesser role is laughable.
Nice side step to my response about Boban being irrelevant compared to Parkers' 14' stats btw...
Try harder.
Yeah, tp is the sole reason why he's the winningest pg in history. I'm sure playing next to a top 5 player and the goat coach had nothing to do with it. Some delusional s on this forum.
How many rings would Duncan have with Nash or Kidd as his pg?
Sorry that's the only thing good you can say.
Why isn't Duncan the winningest player then?Yeah, tp is the sole reason why he's the winningest pg in history. I'm sure playing next to a top 5 player and the goat coach had nothing to do with it. Some delusional s on this forum.
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