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    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...d-rape-lawsuit

    A federal judge in New York has ordered counsel for Donald Trump and the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein to appear in court along with the attorney for a woman referred to only as “Jane Doe” who alleges the Republican presidential nominee raped her when she was 13.

    Judge Ronnie Abrams has slated an initial status conference in the civil lawsuit for 16 December in a New York district court.
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    Nod to thesanityannex for doing the reading that I didn't initially:
    The Guardian investigation found that a publicist calling himself “Al Taylor” attempted to sell the videotape of “Jane Doe” relating her allegations for $1m. It linked Taylor through a variety of means including shared email addresses and phone numbers to Norm Lubow, who used to work on Springer’s daytime talk show.

    Lubow was connected to a contentious claim, raised in the 1998 do entary movie Kurt and Courtney, that Courtney Love offered a fellow musician $50,000 to murder her husband, Kurt Cobain of Nirvana. Love denied the charge.

    According to the New York Post, Lubow was also behind a tabloid newspaper story that OJ Simpson bought illicit drugs on the day his estranged wife Nicole Brown was killed.

    When the Guardian quizzed “Al Taylor” about his true iden y, the publicist replied: “Just be warned, we’ll sue you if we don’t like what you write. We’ll sue your ass, own your ass and own your newspaper’s ass as well, punk.”

    The Trump presidential campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment about the forthcoming court proceedings. A lawyer for the Trump Organization told the Guardian in July: “This is basically a sham lawsuit brought by someone who desires to impact the presidential election.”
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    "Allegedly"

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    "allegedly" given a trial date, with, it is assumed, testimony given under oath.

    Guess we will get to find out, won't we?

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    Want to bet this miraculously blows over after the election? Sounds like pure cover for Bills multiple trips on the Lolita express and to Pleasure Island.

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    Want to bet this miraculously blows over after the election? Sounds like pure cover for Bills multiple trips on the Lolita express and to Pleasure Island.
    (shrugs)

    Bill Clinton.

    That said, does that make Trumps behavior any less reprehensible?

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    That said, does that make Trumps behavior any less reprehensible?
    "Bill did it, so what's the big deal? Besides, e-mails."

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    (shrugs)

    Bill Clinton.

    That said, does that make Trumps behavior any less reprehensible?
    I personally don't believe it's true.

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    is there a trial date? i'm just seeing initial status conference

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    "Bill did it, so what's the big deal? Besides, e-mails."
    It was Bills name, not Trumps all over the Lolita Express's flight manifests.

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    is there a trial date? i'm just seeing initial status conference
    Judge Ronnie Abrams has slated an initial status conference in the civil lawsuit for 16 December in a New York district court.

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    I personally don't believe it's true.
    Of course you don't.

    There are three women that are going to testify. Two victims and his former event planner all of whom corroborate each other.

    Sex party in the 1990s where Ireland raped teen girls and Trump attended seems plausible to me.

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    I personally don't believe it's true.
    How would you know?

    That's the thing I keep asking myself about Trump -- how on Earth does anyone claim to know (or even believe) anything about Trump that isn't just pure conjecture? He's absolutely refused any sort of traditional transparency about who he really is or what he really does, and when insights are offered, his chorus just wanders around behind him contending that what's alleged couldn't have possibly happened.

    And that's the amazing thing about the Right's approach to this election: seemingly, a history of allegations against Hillary Clinton (most of which have been deeply investigated and none of which have been proven sufficiently to support any legal consequence) is more than enough to presume her guilt of just being a bad person A similar history of allegations against Donald Trump (none of which has been investigated, much less refuted in any way other than his say-so) is treated as nothing more than a string of unproven allegations and are cast as being wholly insufficient, taken alone or in combination, to even support a surmise that he might not be a good person.

    Up has truly become down.

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    I personally don't believe it's true.
    Based on all the evidence pertaining to the case you have reviewed?

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    How would you know?

    That's the thing I keep asking myself about Trump -- how on Earth does anyone claim to know (or even believe) anything about Trump that isn't just pure conjecture? He's absolutely refused any sort of traditional transparency about who he really is or what he really does, and when insights are offered, his chorus just wanders around behind him contending that what's alleged couldn't have possibly happened.

    And that's the amazing thing about the Right's approach to this election: seemingly, a history of allegations against Hillary Clinton (most of which have been deeply investigated and none of which have been proven sufficiently to support any legal consequence) is more than enough to presume her guilt of just being a bad person A similar history of allegations against Donald Trump (none of which has been investigated, much less refuted in any way other than his say-so) is treated as nothing more than a string of unproven allegations and are cast as being wholly insufficient, taken alone or in combination, to even support a surmise that he might not be a good person.

    Up has truly become down.
    The rank and file of the modern right wing are monumentally obtuse.

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    How do you feel about Clinton being a proven sexual predator, lying about his sexual molestation and having no fewer than six civil suits against him during his Governorship and Presidency?

    LOL, but, but "emails and Repug smoke screens". The hypocrisy and double standards is what is unbearable about your Leftwits.

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    The rank and file of the modern left wing are monumentally obtuse.
    FIFY

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    How would you know?

    That's the thing I keep asking myself about Trump -- how on Earth does anyone claim to know (or even believe) anything about Trump that isn't just pure conjecture? He's absolutely refused any sort of traditional transparency about who he really is or what he really does, and when insights are offered, his chorus just wanders around behind him contending that what's alleged couldn't have possibly happened.

    And that's the amazing thing about the Right's approach to this election: seemingly, a history of allegations against Hillary Clinton (most of which have been deeply investigated and none of which have been proven sufficiently to support any legal consequence) is more than enough to presume her guilt of just being a bad person A similar history of allegations against Donald Trump (none of which has been investigated, much less refuted in any way other than his say-so) is treated as nothing more than a string of unproven allegations and are cast as being wholly insufficient, taken alone or in combination, to even support a surmise that he might not be a good person.

    Up has truly become down.
    +1

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    How do you feel about Clinton being a proven sexual predator, lying about his sexual molestation and having no fewer than six civil suits against him during his Governorship and Presidency?

    LOL, but, but "emails and Repug smoke screens". The hypocrisy and double standards is what is unbearable about your Leftwits.
    Bill Clinton isn't running for president. Not sure you figured that out yet.

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    How do you feel about Clinton being a proven sexual predator, lying about his sexual molestation and having no fewer than six civil suits against him during his Governorship and Presidency?

    LOL, but, but "emails and Repug smoke screens". The hypocrisy and double standards is what is unbearable about your Leftwits.
    Tell me what do Trumps emails show about his conflicts of interest?

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    How do you feel about Clinton being a proven sexual predator, lying about his sexual molestation and having no fewer than six civil suits against him during his Governorship and Presidency?
    Bill Clinton is running for President?

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    Based on all the evidence pertaining to the case you have reviewed?
    More on the basis of...why?

    Why would he have sex with a 13 year old girl to start with?

    Why did she wait until a month before the election to make the accusation? It wasn't like he wasn't a well known billionaire before that.

    It's perfect offense by the Clinton camp to try to link Trump to Epstein to cover Bills more prominent and well do ented link to Epstein and rationally makes more sense than this woman suddenly 20 years later decides to suddenly make the rape claim.

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    Tell me what do Trumps emails show about his conflicts of interest?
    or his tax returns? or the records of his charitable giving?

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    How many times has this been thrown out? we never heard of it before trump was running for president

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    More on the basis of...why?

    Why would he have sex with a 13 year old girl to start with?
    He's bragged to have traipsed through dressing rooms filled with disrobed girls, and he's alleged to have done that in rooms with girls as young as 15.

    Is it really that big a step to think that he might have taken that a bit further?

    Why did she wait until a month before the election to make the accusation? It wasn't like he wasn't a well known billionaire before that.
    You're right. The victims in sexual assault cases have a very easy time of things once they decide to pursue claims, so when they wait any appreciable period of time before bringing suit, the only reasonable surmise is that their claims are just made up.

    My guess about why these allegations are being made so close to an election is that there was a videotape in which Trump bragged about sexually assaulting women and a subsequent debate in which Trump denied ever having done such things. Once he denied it, the anecdotal proof of his bad acts became directly relevant to the election. And, remarkably, all of that happened only in the last month.

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    Bill Clinton isn't running for president. Not sure you figured that out yet.

    Don't deflect, answer the question.

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