View Poll Results: Will Tony Parker finish the season as the starting PG?

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    Yah they matter so much that they show Boban to be our best player by far last season and playoffs. If that's what you mean by "matter."
    Not when you put things into CONTEXT, you do know what that word means, right?
    Maybe not...

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    Maybe MVparker is just coasting...

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    You weren't disappointed by last season's end - much less the '15 loss to the Clips? That one was crushing - but it has been hashed and re-hashed too much already.
    Well there is a difference (IMO) in being disappointed in losing vs saying the overall season was a disappointment if that makes sense.

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    Well there is a difference (IMO) in being disappointed in losing vs saying the overall season was a disappointment if that makes sense.
    As many (perhaps even you) have pointed out, we Spurs fans are a spoiled lot. I don't measure the Spurs' success by objective criteria that might satisfy most teams, but by how closely the team's achievements align with its realistic expectations. But especially in the 2015 playoffs, the Spurs had legitimate championship aspirations which went unrealized. I would say the same about last season. Let me add that just because the team has legitimate championship aspirations, failing to win it all is not necessarily abject failure, but failing to reach even the WCF is.

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    As many (perhaps even you) have pointed out, we Spurs fans are a spoiled lot. I don't measure the Spurs' success by objective criteria that might satisfy most teams, but by how closely the team's achievements align with its realistic expectations. But especially in the 2015 playoffs, the Spurs had legitimate championship aspirations which went unrealized. I would say the same about last season. Let me add that just because the team has legitimate championship aspirations, failing to win it all is not necessarily abject failure, but failing to reach even the WCF is.
    That's probably where we differe then. I mean, SA very well could have won that series and should have. The difference in a few shots to me in making the WCF vs not doesn't define failure to me. Especially in a year with Tim hobbled, adding a major new piece in LMA and playing a ridiculously stacked team like OKC in the 2nd round.

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    That's probably where we differe then. I mean, SA very well could have won that series and should have. The difference in a few shots to me in making the WCF vs not doesn't define failure to me. Especially in a year with Tim hobbled, adding a major new piece in LMA and playing a ridiculously stacked team like OKC in the 2nd round.
    We can disagree. I bet we are both happy to disagree about such lofty expectations and achievements rather than about who should be our lottery pick - like a lot of teams.

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    Not when you put things into CONTEXT, you do know what that word means, right?
    Maybe not...
    Yes I do. You don't compare "advanced" stats of starters to bench players. So why on earth do people keep comparing Parker's "advanced" stats to Mills?

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    Yes I do. You don't compare "advanced" stats of starters to bench players. So why on earth do people keep comparing Parker's "advanced" stats to Mills?
    As you indicate, CONTEXT is critical to the accurate interpretation of all data. So comparisons are tricky - especially between such as Tony and Patty. It also seems true that after the tip-off the time that the starters of both teams are pitted against each other is fluid and not particularly high. That makes me wonder if teams track such "advanced" statistics far more discretely than the websites that make them available to fans. Comparisons between/among "starters" on different teams would seem to be a little more valuable - or even comparisons of a single player's year-over-year stats. That said - all comparisons aside - it seems irrefutable that Tony is off to a terrible start and that this start is made worse because it seems like tha nadir of a pretty steady 2-3 year decline. Perhaps the cause is fatigue from overplaying year-round or some nagging injury (as I saw suggested in another thread). Or maybe his wheels have finally fallen off, too. Historically Tony has been a great PG. Recently not so great. Today, as a Spus fan, I just want the best PG play realistically possible. If Tony can turn the clock back and provide winning-caliber PG play, that is the best possible scenario for the Spurs. It doesn't seem very likely, although he did make two consecutive driving baskets against the Jazz that were outstanding and timely.

    Two take-always: For better or worse, without some big-time changes (which PATFO will not make), Tony is the Spurs' best hope. He has to come through for this team to have any real hope. When Danny returns (assuming he is the Real Danny), the entire starting unit will be better - including Tony. The Spurs will have to compensate for his lack of defense from here on out, but no team is iron-clad on Offense and Defense across the board. Every team has its weaknesses.

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    hopefully not.

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