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- So, does Goodwin have enough more potential to dump Simmons? That would be the trade-off - not Anderson.
- Yeah, Sixers are not moving Thompson- especially for a completely redundant (and lesser) piece such as Anderson.
Archie Goodwin was popular among Suns fans for a while, mainly because he was a young American who could jump and slash. He was also on some nba media LVP list (least valuable player) because he could not shoot and was not good at the game of basketball. He also seems to be a bit full of himself. He is of course faster than Kyle Anderson but with worse at ude. They are about the same level basically (borderline nba, d-league or Europe).
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- So, does Goodwin have enough more potential to dump Simmons? That would be the trade-off - not Anderson.
- Yeah, Sixers are not moving Thompson- especially for a completely redundant (and lesser) piece such as Anderson.
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Bertans won't be any worse than Anderson on the perimeter defensively and if Danny Ferry can play SF, surely Bertans can. He's interchangeable as a PF or SF imo. Plus, he'd be defending back up SFs, which isn't a significant worry. He'd be a net positive regardless because of his elite shooting off the ball. I would play him at SF instead of Anderson... That's my opinion. He played wing overseas plenty and I believe part of the reason why Spurs have him slotted as a spread PF is because of presumed minutes Simmons/Anderson would split at the back up wing positions (they may have thought there wouldn't be minutes available) -- which is unlike the back up PF position coming into the season. R.C and Pop may have thought coming in that Lee was a question mark and Bertans' only real chance to earn minutes coming into the season would be competing vs. Lee, instead of versus Simmons and Anderson. Things can change and adjustments are made throughout the season. Considering the play of Anderson, I would hope they would be open minded enough to at least give it a shot. He has the offensive skill set to play the SF role better than Anderson and Simmons.
As for why Philly would consider trading Hollis for assets that aren't expiring anytime soon?
Hollis isn't moving Phillys' needle this year.. they'll be a lottery team again and his ceiling is a fringe role player -- who just so happens to have the skill-set the Spurs should be willing to take a gamble on. Philly would be better off getting a prospect who has 2 yrs left on his rookie deal + a 2nd for Thompsons' expiring or short term value before he leaves for nothing in the off-season.
Guy has looked pretty good this season. The ability to shoot the ball sets him apart from the rest of the Sixers' roster. I think he plays into their long term plans. And if not, they can surely get more than Anderson and a second for him.
It's subjective whether he's part of their future plans or not. Or whether they could get more. No team is going to offer anything significant for him because of his contract -- it's expired after the year and his market value is in question because of how teams may perceive his true value because of the role and team he plays for.
And If he was in their plans for the future, we would have seen an extension. The Hollis Thompson idea was a recent thought I'd like the Spurs to target based on his size/ skillset.
Did I call the R.C or Colangelo to see if its possible? No I did not and I'm sure you haven't either.
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Didn't mean to get under your skin - just discussing. I think that would be a very good deal for the Spurs. Just for argument's sake, would you offer more for the guy?
I don't know because I don't know where both teams would start. It was an idea of a player I'd like to pursue that's under the radar.
But I do know this, no team is going to offer anything significant for him because of his contract -- it's expired after the year and his market value is in question because of how teams may perceive his true value because of the role and team he plays for. No team is going to offer much for a half year rental and at the same time, I'm sure majority of teams wouldn't commit to him long term just yet -- he's still very green. So why would teams offer anything significant if they don't know if they'd commit to him long term?
Teams would be making a half year gamble to assess where he's at and how he can contribute. If they see a future, they'd probably low ball him and have the leverage to do it based on his career thus far.
If he was in the plans for the Sixers, we would have seen an extension of some sort.
You are probably right about lack of an extension indicating the team's lack of commitment entering this season. Too bad PATFO is so averse to trades.
I'd say their potential is roughly equal (6th men in an absolute best case scenario), Goodwin just has 5 extra years to reach it, so the likelihood of him doing so is probably higher.
But the Spurs place a premium on "corporate knowledge". Simmons has built up sweat equity and on his own, is still unlikely to fetch much.
Ferry was playing SF in the 90s and early 00s, when suffice it to say, the game was very different. Other than that, I don't disagree with anything you said, but I still maintain that they won't utilize Bertans as an SF.
Anderson isn't moving the 76ers needle ever. Neither is Thompson, obviously, but he at least fills a need and so what if he's expiring? They've got a load of cap space and he's not exactly going to break the bank.
I never said Anderson would move the needle. But I do know this, if Philly is open to attaining optimal assets for their expirings that they don't intend on investing in further, then Spurs could be players for Hollis for cheap ( considering his expiring). No team is going to offer anything significant for Hollis because of his contract -- it's expired after the year and his market value is in question because of how teams may perceive his true value because of the role and team he plays for. No team is going to offer much for a half year rental and at the same time, I'm sure majority of teams wouldn't commit to him long term just yet -- he's still very green. So why would teams offer anything significant if they don't know if they'd commit to him long term?
Teams would be making a half year gamble to assess where he's at and how he can contribute. If they see a future, they'd probably low ball him and have the leverage to do it based on his career thus far.
It's not about the return for him. Obviously, no one is offering anything remotely significant for Thompson, but that also doesn't mean they should trade him for a player who makes no sense for them now or in the future.
If they don't intend to re-sign him, then the optimal asset in return may be for that spot to go to Korkmaz or one of their other 37 draft picks that they've got coming (even though some will inevitably be moved).
people are way too emotional abut kyle. He's not an important player.
He keeps getting bounced around to play 3 different positions. His ultimate prime goal is PF. He won't be defending perimeter. He may never be NBA quality and no one will be surprised. LAte first round picks are risky.
He can run a team at the college and summer league levels. That's not proof he can run an nba bench. But he's never been a full time PF nor a full time point forward, hes been a floater.
ultimately i don't care kyle disappoints you, he has lost the spurs ZERO games. about GAsol more plz, he's somebody.
Bump..
Man, I feel bad for him, it is really not fair to alot anything other than garbage time minutes for him at this point..He completely lost the plot, not knowing what exactly he should do on the court.
I agree with what Harlem said in the other thread, he could actually be served by a trade to a lottery team in order for him to find a niche in pressure-less situation..He is nowhere near good or ready to be in a 10-man rotation of a contender. he embodies what a tricky and awkward basketball fit is when natural talent is found lacking..
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Alas now, though..can he fetch a bag of chips, tbh?
Highest DRPM among SFs: http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/r...RPM/position/2
Definitely lacking confidence right now. He attempted two shots last night and they were pretty pathetic. Hes actually better than that but right now baskets looking like the size of a thimble to him.
he's being used as a defender, nothing wrong with that, but obviously not the best way to make a living. He's far better than shown.
Agreed Raven....
Here´s hoping we can get a couple of good games out of him and see if we can move him for a early second rounder (probably) or late first (difficult).
We can also try to move Lapro or cut him and try a get a third PG during the mid season waivers.
So far i liked what i´ve seen from Garino so i feel that if Kyle is traded for a pick or something like that the team would at first, call him up, just to check if there´s been any evolution, and wait and see what players get waived.
It's really sad tbh. Pop has forsaken him on offense. He needs some more touches and looks, but I don't think that's his role right now. Would love to see him get the ball on post ups against smaller players at least and let him bring the ball up a tad bid more. From a development standpoint he's getting nuked here, but we have so many other options that need attention I understand why it's so hard to get him any other looks than a spot up three.
I agree about Garino. I'll post my thoughts about him in the Austin thread
Kyle is not getting traded to call Garino up TBH... Team already has 3 rooks. They aren't letting a young vet Pop trusts for another rookie. It just ain't happening.
If you tell me about a vet yes, I can see it, but not a rookie... just ain't happening... A rookie for Garino like Forbes, maybe... but they already made that call, so I don't see it either.
WTF is a young vet? Mtfkr is still in his rookie contract.
Kyle Anderson plays like a 42yr old vet tbh
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