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    The FBI said the facts didn't support a criminal referral. One might infer the reasons for non-referral were political, but the case for that is purely speculative.

    At any rate, whichever way the DOJ came down, the determination would have been political. You just don't like the result, so you cry foul.
    I wasn't referring to Comeys statement weeks ago. I was referring to the recent FBI leaks where they were saying they thought they had an indictable case and Justice was trying to squash it.

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    Professional difference of opinion. Boss decides, the rest of us are armchair quarterbacks.

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    Not keeping it in the locker room reflects ill on the FBI.

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    FBI agents talking trash on their own boss to influence an election is not how we do things.

    Until now.

    Republicans will rue this when the shoe is on the other foot.

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    no, can't believe peeps don't know whose alt axl rose is
    i don't...

    Cant say that it would make a difference though.

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    It's not a matter of if but when. The ins utional norm is broken.

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    That said, I mostly blame Comey for his public explanation of non-referral and release of investigative materials. He broke the norm.

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    The fish rots from the head down.

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    The fish rots from the head down.
    technically the gills, not the head. :p

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    As I recall, the DOJ punted to the FBI to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. You didn't like the result, so you call them both corrupt.
    Was this punt before or after the DOJ meeting on the tarmac with Bill Clinton?

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    Don't be mad at Comey -- be mad at Nixon, I mean Clinton.

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    Afterward of course. The appearance of propriety became unsustainable at that point.

    Do you disagree with The AG's decision to hand it ovwr to the FBI?

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    technically the gills, not the head. :p
    I cede to your superior experience and stand corrected.

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    Let the investigation run its course. If the FBI makes a criminal referral, HRC has to step down easy as that -- supposing the FBI hasn't already shot itself in the foot.

    Oops.
    What if all 30,000 of the "missing" Hillary emails are on Weiner's laptop, plus hundreds of thousands more that were deliberately ditched and we never knew existed in the first place, evidencing not only lying about the content of the 30,000 emails but the existence of hundreds of thousands more?
    What if among the authenticated email traffic is John Podesta saying, just days before the Clinton campaign was compelled to produce said material they they had to "dump those emails", apparently proving intent to obstruct justice?
    What if all of the emails that came from big public cloud providers are provably, to a near-forensic standard, to be exactly as WikiLeaks has presented them and could not have been tampered with because those providers digitally sign every email that comes from them and those signatures all validate back against those cloud providers, and those emails are thus in fact already known to be authentic?
    What if the evidence on that laptop adds to the already known fact that Bill Clinton took a number of trips on Epstein's "Lolita Express" aircraft, some of them after dismissing his Secret Service detail, and implicates what was about to, or did, happen on those trips?
    What if the evidence on that laptop shows that Hillary was present on at least one of those trips and either knew about or participated in those acts?
    What if the evidence shows that the Clinton Foundation operated as a major pay-to-play operation and national security interests were implicated such as, for example, in the sale of uranium to the Russians.
    What if some of the "pay to play" activity involves nations we have a sketchy relationship with or even those that are under some sort of active embargo, but the Foundation was able to "get around"?
    What if these "pay to play" activities implicate federal Racketeering and/or bribery statutes?
    What if some of the "pay to play" activity involves nations that have been implicated in international Muslim terrorism, arguably therefore rising to the act of treason since by our own government's own statements we are in a waragainst said international terrorism?
    What if the Clintons actively conspired with Loretta Lynch to obstruct the ongoing investigations including but not limited to Bill Clinton's "chat about family matters" aboard Lynch's aircraft, a meeting for which no minutes or recording has been produced for the public?
    What if for the first time in known history of FBI and DOJ investigations of such serious conduct with national security implications utterly nobody was served with a subpoena, nobody had evidence seized and material witnesses were allowed to corroborate and be present when others were testifying, and those acts were undertaken by the DOJ for the explicit purpose of both crippling the investigation and preventing a Grand Jury from seeing and judging the evidence in the case?
    What if the FBI Deputy Director who headed up -- and is still in charge of -- the Hillary email server investigation has a wife who received nearly $700,000 in political contributions from a major Clinton operative and yet despite this clear and publicly-known conflict of interest has not recused himself or been forced to step aside?
    What if James Comey was browbeaten into making a public announcement that was beyond his legal authority (that "no reasonable prosecutor" would indict) through political pressure but upon being presented with the new evidence on Weiner's laptop he couldn't stand by his previous decision because this new evidence made him sick to his stomach, convinced him that the damage to this nation was so severe that we might not survive it -- or both?
    What if it turns out that Hillary's campaign cheated multiple times during the primary season when it came to being fed debate questions and other means of tampering with the primary election process, denying her primary opponent a fair election?
    What if Hillary should have never been nominated in the first place due to her cheating in the primaries and the race should be "Trump .vs. Sanders"? What does that say about the legitimacy of the upcoming election if one candidate on the ballot cheated to get there and is thus not legitimately en led to stand for election in the general at all?
    What if the evidence shows how people "divested" and transferred financial interest in foreign firms so as to evade federal reporting requirements that would have otherwise triggered scrutiny on some of the Foundation's deals?
    What if Friday afternoon comes and goes, Saturday, Sunday and Monday come and go, all or a sufficiently-damning group of the above turn out to be true and as a result the person who was at the center of all of these things stands to be able to pardon herself and everyone else associated with what would be, quite-arguably, the most outrageous series of acts of public corruption in our nation's history?
    That we are here, just a few days before an election, that we have a DOJ that has actively obstructed the investigation for at least months if not longer and has a history of doing this during Obama's Presidency, including I remind you with "Fast-n-Furious" where a whole bunch of people got killed as a result of our government's illegal gun-running is an outrage.
    The only thing more-outrageous than what has already happened would be if we were to get to Monday night, on the eve of voting, and all of those "What Ifs" up above remained unanswered.
    Oh wait, I tricked you and I admit it -- some of those "what ifs" -- including some truly damning ones -- have already been answered in the affirmative.
    If you know the answers to any of the remaining questions -- not a belief of what the answers might be but you are in possession of hard facts that prove any of the above, either in the positive or negative, you have a duty to this Republic and the people in it to make those answers known.
    If you do not then you stand as equally responsible for every "Yes" answer that is ultimately proved, and the harm that comes to this Republic as a consequence.
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    Afterward of course. The appearance of propriety became unsustainable at that point.

    Do you disagree with The AG's decision to hand it ovwr to the FBI?
    Obama can fire Comey.

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    He hasn't. He won't.

    That's for HRC to do, but Comey will resign.

    Good riddance to smelly garbage. He cared more about his own reputation than his own office.

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    What if all 30,000 of the "missing" Hillary emails are on Weiner's laptop, plus hundreds of thousands more that were deliberately ditched and we never knew existed in the first place, evidencing not only lying about the content of the 30,000 emails but the existence of hundreds of thousands more?
    What if among the authenticated email traffic is John Podesta saying, just days before the Clinton campaign was compelled to produce said material they they had to "dump those emails", apparently proving intent to obstruct justice?
    What if all of the emails that came from big public cloud providers are provably, to a near-forensic standard, to be exactly as WikiLeaks has presented them and could not have been tampered with because those providers digitally sign every email that comes from them and those signatures all validate back against those cloud providers, and those emails are thus in fact already known to be authentic?
    What if the evidence on that laptop adds to the already known fact that Bill Clinton took a number of trips on Epstein's "Lolita Express" aircraft, some of them after dismissing his Secret Service detail, and implicates what was about to, or did, happen on those trips?
    What if the evidence on that laptop shows that Hillary was present on at least one of those trips and either knew about or participated in those acts?
    What if the evidence shows that the Clinton Foundation operated as a major pay-to-play operation and national security interests were implicated such as, for example, in the sale of uranium to the Russians.
    What if some of the "pay to play" activity involves nations we have a sketchy relationship with or even those that are under some sort of active embargo, but the Foundation was able to "get around"?
    What if these "pay to play" activities implicate federal Racketeering and/or bribery statutes?
    What if some of the "pay to play" activity involves nations that have been implicated in international Muslim terrorism, arguably therefore rising to the act of treason since by our own government's own statements we are in a waragainst said international terrorism?
    What if the Clintons actively conspired with Loretta Lynch to obstruct the ongoing investigations including but not limited to Bill Clinton's "chat about family matters" aboard Lynch's aircraft, a meeting for which no minutes or recording has been produced for the public?
    What if for the first time in known history of FBI and DOJ investigations of such serious conduct with national security implications utterly nobody was served with a subpoena, nobody had evidence seized and material witnesses were allowed to corroborate and be present when others were testifying, and those acts were undertaken by the DOJ for the explicit purpose of both crippling the investigation and preventing a Grand Jury from seeing and judging the evidence in the case?
    What if the FBI Deputy Director who headed up -- and is still in charge of -- the Hillary email server investigation has a wife who received nearly $700,000 in political contributions from a major Clinton operative and yet despite this clear and publicly-known conflict of interest has not recused himself or been forced to step aside?
    What if James Comey was browbeaten into making a public announcement that was beyond his legal authority (that "no reasonable prosecutor" would indict) through political pressure but upon being presented with the new evidence on Weiner's laptop he couldn't stand by his previous decision because this new evidence made him sick to his stomach, convinced him that the damage to this nation was so severe that we might not survive it -- or both?
    What if it turns out that Hillary's campaign cheated multiple times during the primary season when it came to being fed debate questions and other means of tampering with the primary election process, denying her primary opponent a fair election?
    What if Hillary should have never been nominated in the first place due to her cheating in the primaries and the race should be "Trump .vs. Sanders"? What does that say about the legitimacy of the upcoming election if one candidate on the ballot cheated to get there and is thus not legitimately en led to stand for election in the general at all?
    What if the evidence shows how people "divested" and transferred financial interest in foreign firms so as to evade federal reporting requirements that would have otherwise triggered scrutiny on some of the Foundation's deals?
    What if Friday afternoon comes and goes, Saturday, Sunday and Monday come and go, all or a sufficiently-damning group of the above turn out to be true and as a result the person who was at the center of all of these things stands to be able to pardon herself and everyone else associated with what would be, quite-arguably, the most outrageous series of acts of public corruption in our nation's history?
    That we are here, just a few days before an election, that we have a DOJ that has actively obstructed the investigation for at least months if not longer and has a history of doing this during Obama's Presidency, including I remind you with "Fast-n-Furious" where a whole bunch of people got killed as a result of our government's illegal gun-running is an outrage.
    The only thing more-outrageous than what has already happened would be if we were to get to Monday night, on the eve of voting, and all of those "What Ifs" up above remained unanswered.
    Oh wait, I tricked you and I admit it -- some of those "what ifs" -- including some truly damning ones -- have already been answered in the affirmative.
    If you know the answers to any of the remaining questions -- not a belief of what the answers might be but you are in possession of hard facts that prove any of the above, either in the positive or negative, you have a duty to this Republic and the people in it to make those answers known.
    If you do not then you stand as equally responsible for every "Yes" answer that is ultimately proved, and the harm that comes to this Republic as a consequence.
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    Nope.

    Doing things the right way counts for more than expedience.

    Justice isn't supposed to rush. That you think it should only discloses how little you care for it.

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    "Trump is cheating taxpayers!"

    Her husband pardoned a 40 million dollar tax debt of a campaign donor and illegal trader Marc Rich.

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    He hasn't. He won't.

    That's for HRC to do, but Comey will resign.

    Good riddance to smelly garbage. He cared more about his own reputation than his own office.
    Smelly garbage? How dare you, sir.


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    Nope.

    Doing things the right way counts for more than expedience.

    Justice isn't supposed to rush. That you think it should only discloses how little you care for it.
    Your comments make little sense concerning his main point

    "If you know the answers to any of the remaining questions -- not a belief of what the answers might be but you are in possession of hard facts that prove any of the above, either in the positive or negative, you have a duty to this Republic and the people in it to make those answers known.
    If you do not then you stand as equally responsible for every "Yes" answer that is ultimately proved, and the harm that comes to this Republic as a consequence."



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    "Trump is cheating taxpayers!"

    Her husband pardoned a 40 million dollar tax debt of a campaign donor and illegal trader Marc Rich.
    Trump carried forward a loss borne by his creditors to shirk tax liability for over a decade -- in a magnitude at least twice that.

    The amount was 2% of the total liabilities claimed that year.

    So yeah, Trump screwed the taxpayer at least twice as bad as Marc Rich.

    Legally, of course, so you probably salute his guile.

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    Trump carried forward a loss borne by his creditors to shirk tax liability for over a decade -- in a magnitude at least twice that.

    The amount was 2% of the total liabilities claimed that year.

    So yeah, Trump screwed the taxpayer at least wice as bad as Marc Rich. On

    Legally, of course, so you probably salute his guile.
    An unsubstantiated claim worthy of Boutons.

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    How is HRC responsible for that, btw?

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    An unsubstantiated claim worthy of Boutons.
    how did he do it then if not through the S - corp loophole?

    I believe the loss claimed was in the neighborhood of 900M.

    How did Trump recover from a loss like that?

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    how did he do it then if not through the S - corp loophole?

    I believe the loss claimed was in the neighborhood of 900M.

    How did Trump recover from a loss like that?
    A nice dodge on your claim he deducted his creditors losses personally,

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