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Would you rather Americans build and maintain the factory and the robots or chinamen? There will always be humans involved even if it's fewer of them. Just means we can open more factories and make more affordable things.
He is just butthurt and being ridiculous
Would you rather Americans build and maintain the factory and the robots or chinamen? There will always be humans involved even if it's fewer of them. Just means we can open more factories and make more affordable things.
only time I ever want to see this cunt again is in an orange jumpsuit. Only campaign promise I hope El Duce keeps.
I can't believe these gots in the crowd applauding her.
Oh NAFTA did a lot of damage for sure because what business wants to pay higher domestic salaries, wages and benefits.
2 points:
1. It's a global worker pool that Americans are up against. Unless the manufacturing process involves high-end specialized skills, Mexico and China will always beat developed countries via cost arbitrage. Putting a unilateral 35% tariff would not make Mexico less compe ive globally. It will only make American prices rise by 35%. Tariffs will only work if every other consuming market does it too.
2. US tax rates are an afterthought for multinational firms (which coincidentally are the ones that run factories in China and Mexico), because they can always locate an office in a lower tax country and use transfer pricing to recognise all profits in that country. So either you lower the US corporate tax rate to near zero levels, or reach a global tax transfer agreement. The vague "cut taxes and regulations" solution belongs to 80s politics.
Not going to happen.
Clinton winning the popular vote is just further twisting of the knife.
havent seen baseline so upset since Benchinelli was in the silver n black
Of course I would. I support Trump and any effort to bring back manufacturing. I was off on a tangent with the robot thing. Just curious how it's all going to work.
It's actually even worse than that
The GOP’s Attack on Voting Rights Was the Most Under-Covered Story of 2016
https://www.thenation.com/article/th...story-of-2016/
Of course manufacturing jobs are alive...in countries where the price of labor is 1000% (literally) cheaper than it is stateside. The average factory worker in Mexico makes 2.10 per hour http://www.tradingeconomics.com/mexi...-manufacturing.
You can impose tariffs (at 30ish percent), give corporations 100% tax breaks, deregulate everything in sight (which would be met with serious protest and eventually become something of a PR nightmare for the firm in question if their actions wind up having environmental consequences. Much easier for Corporation X's factories to just pollute the out of China or Mexico and not have to worry about any backlash from tree huggers), bust up the unions, and the simple math still winds up way short of what Corporation X can save by outsourcing. The only way to bring those jobs back is for Americans to become "moral consumers" and willingly pay 5-10 times the price of goods as they are now, and even that won't bring those jobs back because the inflated prices will likely kill Corporation X's export markets (I don't think people in Europe would be willing to pay 3K for an Xbox One just to save American jobs).
I know you're a staunch Libertarian. Even Libertarians think free trade between countries is a novel idea. I mean, Libertarians are precisely against NAFTA because it forces firms into trade agreements with Mexico and Canada, thus restricting Corporation X's la ude to hear bids from other countries.
It also baffles me why you, as a Libertarian, are so high on this er. He's basically Reagan Jr. And Rothbard and other such Libertarian thinkers didn't think too much of St. Ronnie. Trump's gonna employ second hand Reaganomics all the while spending us into oblivion. He's already vowed to double Hillary's proposed infrastructure budget of 250 billion and increase military spending, which Libertarians aren't usually too fond of. I knew he pisses off SJW and Starbucks Liberals, and even though I'm socially Left, political correctness has reached critical mass and it was entertaining watching Trump ruffle feathers on the campaign trail, but the guy is a total dip .
I don't get the appeal here.
PS:
https://mises.org/library/myths-reaganomics
And you can replace Reagan with Trump in Rothbard's entire essay here and not miss a beat.The presidency of Ronald Wilson Reagan has been a disaster for libertarianism in the United States, and might yet prove to be catastrophic for the human race.
https://mises.org/library/reagan-phenomenon
If Trump locks that up I'll vote for him in 2020.
Run Hillary Run
Repug policies won't bring back any factories from MX or China.
Where mfg investment goes is decided by BigCorp, not Repugs.
Her and Al can roll around on the floor together and in a few years, they can compare scars while hunting a great white shark named Trump. But they are going to need a bigger boat.
es about bigcorpRepug policies won't bring back any factories from MX or China.
Where mfg investment goes is decided by BigCorp, not Repugs.
Owns a PC built by it
Muricans
She proved why she isn't president and the American people got it right. She left all her supporters who were there for hours with nothing, no leadership, not even the courtesy to come on stage and show support for her supporters. This is a woman who only makes speeches if someone is paying her, lol. She's an elitest b*tch.
It might require a bit of waterboarding or grabbing her by the pussy video, but this.
Manufacturing jobs aren't coming back because labor prices from an overly spoiled society have made it that way. "Living wage" to most today includes luxuries like cell phones, designer shoes, internet and all-day AC. This is 100% due to our society and not the Government. Nothing can be done to solve our societal issues, except giving harsh doses of reality to people who think luxuries should be gauranteed to every born American. But, inversely, raising the minimum wage is NOT the answer, it will just eliminate more small businesses, the sector that employs 97% of the country, AGAIN, and millions and millions more will be in soup lines. I saw it when we first opened our company and we are seeing it everywhere due to the burdens the ty Left shifted onto the employers. This is an issue started by our spoiled society and compounded by en lement pimp politicians.
No. It's because you can't live on 6.00 an hour, no matter how much you tighten your belt. This isn't the 1970's.
You probably pine for the glory days of the 1950's, when domestic manufacturing was at its peak and John Q. Public could make a comfortable living as a factory worker, but guess what? The corporate tax rate in those days was higher (meaning John Q. Public carried less overall tax burden) and the US had zero compe ion in the manufacturing sector from developing countries. Furthermore, you denigrate modern day Americans as "lazy and spoiled" people who don't want to do those jobs for low wages (I take it you want them paid something like 7-8.00 per hour?), but at the same time forget the fact that in 1963, for instance, the average hourly wage for a factory worker was 2.50. Adjust for inflation, and that comes out to about 20.00 per hour, which is near what the average factory workers make now.
We simply can't compete with China, Mexico, Vietnam, India, etc in that sector any longer, no matter how much Americans proverbially tighten the belt or the bumps businesses get from the government in the form of tax breaks, tariffs, etc.
That era is over. We're a service economy now.
More threats posed to the manufacturing sector:
https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/09/tr...-wont-let-him/
"Well, at least some jobs are coming home"
But this kind of factory will be a far cry from the mega factories of the 50's and such that employed whole towns of thousands of people. You could probably get away with a robot-to-human worker ratio of 20-1 or even more. Conceivably, a couple of guys could run the whole thing from an office. Ah:
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/...duction-soars/Previously, there were 650 employees at the factory. With the new robots, there's now only 60. Luo Weiqiang, general manager of the company, told the People's Daily that the number of employees could drop to 20 in the future.
And the kind of work these "factory workers" will be required to do isn't the type of roll-up-your-sleeves assembly line work someone in the Rust Belt is qualified/used to doing. Basically be IT work. A commentator summed it up nicely:
And again, the amount of people this factory could employ won't in anyway buoy cities and communities previously devastated by lost manufacturing jobs. And trust me, I hate this. It essentially forces workers in all sectors (automation is starting to creep into more industries beside manufacturing) to become IT nerds.I agree with the point you're making, however even if this is a viable option, will the former assembly line worker from the rust belt who is 45 years old, be willing to go to college to learn basic circuit theory and engineering required to repair and refurbish these robots? I'm actually genuinely curious. I'm assuming specialized repair would require SOME level of expertise above a few week training course even if it's not from a full blown college program. Are the workers that have been displaced from less critical thinking positions be willing to go through that to get jobs back? Enough to make a noticeable impact on employment numbers? I honestly think we SHOULD persue this as an avenue for potential jobs, but i remain at least somewhat skeptical.
The solution would be assign everyone a "robot" who basically acts as their surrogate worker. They're responsible for its maintenance and upkeep. This way, a factory of 300 robots employs 300 workers. Problem is, "robots" can be anything from the cliched idea of individual motorized arms and legs performing tasks or a self-contained single system assembled from conveyor belts, arms and levers that is essentially a single robot. So how many workers can you conceivably assign to the latter?
This eventually all leads to everyone just getting a guaranteed income. Or we can start becoming "moral consumers" and vow not to buy goods from companies that produce goods primarily through automation.
No easy solution in sight here.
Nice to see the old you back.
I don't think you are alone. She is sooo done.
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