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    Hillary has no one to blame but herself - she set up the private server, she based her campaign on sexism, racism, other isms. Trump saw that the country was hurting for jobs - fulfilling basic needs - who cares about those isms when you're worried about surviving? Look, dh was out of work for 5 months from late 2015 to early 2016 - never had he been out of work for that long. During that time I (who had never been involved in politics) started paying attention and chose Trump - not because he represented my values but because I thought he would best survive the pile-on that was coming, because he was not beholden to anyone (the way Cruz, Rubio or any of the others would be) and could possible change the way the country was going (remember 2/3 of the nation doesn't like the direction of the country).

    This is the conclusion I'm coming to: a lot of people on this board (and those protesting) need to get out there and help change things instead of whining about the isms. People are hurting and sitting here arguing on a message board ain't helping anyone.

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    Not really a red herring. I was merely trying to politely re-direct you to a way of communicating that was constructive, with the intention of completing my point.

    If I cannot get an honest answer from you when I ask questions, so that we can find out what we are talking about and some agreement on terms and important ideas, that makes it impossible to have constructive conversations.

    Google the term a bit, do some reading, and see if what I did really cons utes a red herring. Your posts fit the pattern much more than mine, something you would see if you analysed it a bit.
    ITT you have images of Trump's nude wife and you want to redirect me? lol.. sanctimonious much?

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    Most governorships are GOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ates_governors
    Most state legislatures are GOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...e_legislatures
    Senate is GOP
    House is GOP
    Executive branch is GOP

    Does this meet the above given definition regarding Democrats in the US in general? Why or why not?
    No it doesn't.

    Because losing in an election doesn't deprive you of the power to elect.

    Plus you truncated the definition, no doubt intentionally to avoid being wrong.

    dis·en·fran·chise
    ˌdisənˈfran(t)SHīz/
    verb
    past tense: disenfranchised; past participle: disenfranchised
    deprive (someone) of the right to vote.
    "the law disenfranchised some 3,000 voters on the basis of a residence qualification"
    deprived of power; marginalized.
    "a hard core of kids who are disenfranchised and don't feel connected to the school"
    deprive (someone) of a right or privilege.
    "a measure that would disenfranchise people from access to legal advice"
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    Most governorships are GOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ates_governors
    Most state legislatures are GOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...e_legislatures
    Senate is GOP
    House is GOP
    Executive branch is GOP

    Does this meet the above given definition regarding Democrats in the US in general? Why or why not?
    Because it's temporary...and the result of very public and very reversible actions (votes). This is not disenfranchisement, it instead, is losing an election. Had the Dems considered reaching out to those who felt marginalized (not disenfranchised), the results could have been much different. But they did not. The result is losing an election cycle, not disenfranchisement.

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    No it doesn't.

    Because losing in an election doesn't deprive you of the power to elect.

    Plus you truncated the definition, no doubt intentionally to avoid being wrong.

    dis·en·fran·chise
    ˌdisənˈfran(t)SHīz/
    verb
    past tense: disenfranchised; past participle: disenfranchised
    deprive (someone) of the right to vote.
    "the law disenfranchised some 3,000 voters on the basis of a residence qualification"
    deprived of power; marginalized.
    "a hard core of kids who are disenfranchised and don't feel connected to the school"
    deprive (someone) of a right or privilege.
    "a measure that would disenfranchise people from access to legal advice"
    I selected the usage of the word that was closest to what I meant by "disenfranchised". I left the link there to allow anyone, including you, to find the other definitions.

    TeyshaBlue thought I meant "lose the vote", I meant "lose power, marginalize". The intent was to show the additional usage of the word and clarify. To say I did it to "intentionally to avoid being wrong" is not accurate, if it were, I would not have provided the link. I could have been a bit clearer about it, though, but didn't think it important enough to spend time on. Your need to show that I am somehow dishonest obviated that, sadly.

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    ><))))))))>

    I don't follow red herrings either.
    Hopefully by now, you have done a bit of reading about what is, or is not a red herring. Since your posts were the red herrings, we can get back to the issue of disenfranchisement, and the moral implications of election results.

    Let's do some math, and think about the implications of votes.

    Given: Policy A

    Group #1, oppose Policy A
    100 people voting at a rate of 35% means 35 votes.

    Group #2, support Policy A
    36 votes for people voting at a rate of 50% means how many people support policy A?

    What does this say in general about this total population's overall viewpoint of Policy A?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomGuy
    Let's do some math, and think about the implications of votes.

    Given: Policy A

    Group #1, oppose Policy A
    100 people voting at a rate of 35% means 35 votes.

    Group #2, support Policy A
    36 votes for people voting at a rate of 50% means how many people support policy A?

    What does this say in general about this population's overall viewpoint of Policy A?
    Hillary has no one to blame but herself - she set up the private server, she based her campaign on sexism, racism, other isms. Trump saw that the country was hurting for jobs - fulfilling basic needs - who cares about those isms when you're worried about surviving? Look, dh was out of work for 5 months from late 2015 to early 2016 - never had he been out of work for that long. During that time I (who had never been involved in politics) started paying attention and chose Trump - not because he represented my values but because I thought he would best survive the pile-on that was coming, because he was not beholden to anyone (the way Cruz, Rubio or any of the others would be) and could possible change the way the country was going (remember 2/3 of the nation doesn't like the direction of the country).

    This is the conclusion I'm coming to: a lot of people on this board (and those protesting) need to get out there and help change things instead of whining about the isms. People are hurting and sitting here arguing on a message board ain't helping anyone.

    Be happy to get to your point, but I would like to be allowed to make mine first, if you would.

    I removed a bit to help remove what I think is blocking understanding and communication. My questions are simple, but important. I think we can get to an agreement if you would do me the kindness/favor of following along. Please.

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    [it's not ]Because it's temporary...and the result of very public and very reversible actions (votes). This is not disenfranchisement, it instead, is losing an election. Had the Dems considered reaching out to those who felt marginalized (not disenfranchised), the results could have been much different. But they did not. The result is losing an election cycle, not disenfranchisement.
    Disenfranchised for a minute, or disenfranchised for two to four years, both are still marginalizations, and should be taken seriously for reasons I am attempting to explain.

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    Most governorships are GOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ates_governors
    Most state legislatures are GOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...e_legislatures
    Senate is GOP
    House is GOP
    Executive branch is GOP

    Does this meet the above given definition regarding Democrats in the US in general? Why or why not?
    You "disenfranchised" yourselves by losing so badly. Maybe next time, don't treat everyone outside of your party like and don't nominate candidates who can't win.

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    Disenfranchised for a minute, or disenfranchised for two to four years, both are still marginalizations, and should be taken seriously for reasons I am attempting to explain.
    I'll go with marginalization..for whatever period. Consequences also works.

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    Pretty much happens around election time.

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    Most governorships are GOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ates_governors
    Most state legislatures are GOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...e_legislatures
    Senate is GOP
    House is GOP
    Executive branch is GOP

    Does this meet the above given definition regarding Democrats in the US in general? Why or why not?
    Okay so by your thinking the list of disenfranchised is now...

    America First Party
    America's Party
    American Party
    American Shopping Party
    Americans Elect Party
    Conservative Party
    Cons ution Party
    Democratic Party
    Ecology Party
    Grassroots Party
    Green Party
    Justice Party
    Labor Party
    Legal Marijuana Now Party
    Libertarian Party
    Liberty Union Party
    Moderate Party
    Mountain Party
    Natural Law Party
    Party for Socialism and Liberation
    Peace and Freedom Party
    Progressive Party
    Reform Party
    United Citizens Party
    Various parties calling themselves
    "Independent" or "Independence" parties
    Women's Equality Party
    Working Families Party

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    Hopefully by now, you have done a bit of reading about what is, or is not a red herring. Since your posts were the red herrings, we can get back to the issue of disenfranchisement, and the moral implications of election results.

    Let's do some math, and think about the implications of votes.

    Given: Policy A

    Group #1, oppose Policy A
    100 people voting at a rate of 35% means 35 votes.

    Group #2, support Policy A
    36 votes for people voting at a rate of 50% means how many people support policy A?

    What does this say in general about this total population's overall viewpoint of Policy A?
    Well no, the OP is about nude photos of Donald's wife.

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    You "disenfranchised" yourselves by losing so badly. Maybe next time, don't treat everyone outside of your party like and don't renominate candidates who can't win.
    fify

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    I selected the usage of the word that was closest to what I meant by "disenfranchised". I left the link there to allow anyone, including you, to find the other definitions.

    TeyshaBlue thought I meant "lose the vote", I meant "lose power, marginalize". The intent was to show the additional usage of the word and clarify. To say I did it to "intentionally to avoid being wrong" is not accurate, if it were, I would not have provided the link. I could have been a bit clearer about it, though, but didn't think it important enough to spend time on. Your need to show that I am somehow dishonest obviated that, sadly.
    I think I did already. Just look at the OP and work your way down.

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    Let's compare the new First Lady with what would've been the "First Gentleman". One took nude photos, the other shoved a cigar up the vagina of a staffer in the White House and much more. Oh and just like these pictures, it's publicly available in a report for anyone to read. I'm sure you can also google pictures of "blue dress." Tell me again which is more of an embarrassment?

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    I like Mic e Obama, tbh. If I've ever posted negative about her, I regret it.

    I just think she's a class act, tbh. Her speech at the DNC was the best one IMHO.

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    Damn, AFBlue went in raw.

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    "Trump disrespects women"....so my response will be to complain about his wife. Touch hypocritical isn't it?


    I also really liked when the OP discovered that everyone was ting on him he switched to the Avantesque strategy of "I was totally trolling and now I'm super smart and mature again".


    Melting the down....LOL

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    The crying from the left is making me so much happier with the results of this election.


    "Did you hear hat Trump said he wouldn't honor the results of the election if he lost? That's why we hate him".....wait, we didn't win? Quick everyone, protest the out of this!!!

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    Isn't it though?

    You think that everybody in the world isn't going to see this?

    Every foreign visit she makes, these pictures will be floating around, and people will be snickering behind the president's back, that makes it damn well imporantant.

    That is the prism through which the US will be viewed. Thanks Trump.
    I just don't get this kind of .

    Who am I to judge her past? Who are you to judge it? People experiment w/ , go through phases, figure out who they are, where their place is in life. They, you know, make mistakes by taking risks, try new/different things, learn (or don't learn).

    You sound like a boring ass .

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    People experiment w/ , go through phases, figure out who they are, where their place is in life.
    Do most women themselves out and do soft porn as they figure out who they are?

    You rightwingnutjobs, esp the grifter Christian Taliban pastors, forgive Trash and his wife for their "sins", but absolutely refuse to forget Clinton's pandering. ing hypocrites

    Repug deficits and sins don't matter, but Dems deficits and sins are eternally unforgivable.

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