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Thankks op.
Sorry not gonna be that thorough, tired. And don't feel like being negative, just gonna focus on the pluses for the most part.
Starters
Tony Parker A : Parker had a nice throw back game. He was -3 but he played well. A good balance of being aggressive and passive. He started out aggressive running the PNR and I'm starting to come to understand why that's important and a game like this is the reason. We are a lot better when he is a threat and not just hiding out there. I personally think his lack of production is mostly a confidence thing mixed with a calibration thing. He's use to making shots at a different speed. I hope at least cause even Duncan had a down year and then recalibrated for a new role. Maybe he can do it, maybe he can't but tonight was a solid game.
Danny Green B : He gets this grade mostly on D. He really has been a breathe of fresh air there and the spacing he provides as a threat is awesome, especially after seeing Kyle's passive play there.
Kawhi Leonard B : Quietly had 20. Missed every shot he had on three but still shot over 50% for the game. Had a Kawbe watch going but there was only like two instances the whole game where he shot a bad shot. For the most part he picked and chose his spots and let the game come to him. In the fourth he made a couple of plays when the Rockets made a run.
LaMarcus Aldridge B- : Wanted to give him a C+ but he made his free throws at the end and got a big board. But I'm not surprised he was a -10 for the game. It felt like he missed every shot at the elbow. I dunno, seems like he is just throwing the ball up there and hoping it goes in. No rhythm or anything, just chuck it cause I'm open. Well I liked the passion he played with tonight. He showed a lot of effort on the boards and on defense and even managed to grab 10 boards.
Pau Gasol A- : He was nowhere to be found in the first quarter but he pick it up in the second quarter and onward. Played a really solid game overall. He played some inspired defense, especially on the perimeter. I could see the effort. He was really chopping his feet on one possession I noticed and he didn't foul as much at the rim.
Bench
Patty Mills B : Provided a needed spark offensively in the first quarter and second. I dunno not much to say here. Patty gonna Patty.
David Lee B : Here's our +/- champion for tonight as he finished the game a +14. Anyways he played a solid game overall and his skill set and IQ give him the edge over Dedmon.
Jonathon Simmons A : I'm sorry guys, I got to give him an A and I wanted to give him an A+ but this isn't an absolute game. But i loved his game tonight. It was about as near perfect of a game as you would want from a role player. He played a really nice floor game, making the right passes and then put pressure on the defense with his penetration. He really provided a spark on defense too and made most of his shots. When I looked at his +/- for the game I wasn't surprised he was +12. Probably more deserved than Lee's +14. Anyways he deserves and has earned his spot. With him playing like this it's gonna be tough for anyone to get minutes here.
Manu Ginobili A+: Almost a Mike Ditka night and maybe it is with a curve but we'll see if it's been bumped after I'm done writing this thread. He made some nifty plays tonight and also very efficient. Some of those layups were vintage Manu and it's games like this you are glad he's still here lacing them up. Also no turnovers.
DeWayne Dedmon INC : For the time he was in he definitely was a defensive presence and deterrent but I really have no base to grade him on. He played well though.
Pop A: Loved his rotations for the most part. It's clear whoever is having a better game between Patty or Tony, that person will play. Glad he shortened the rotation so guys could start having some "organization" and be more "habitual". I think this team needs that tbh, and we can't afford to get too far behind in the standings. Also loved that Pau played with the bench in the second half. He makes the most sense to play those minutes. Pau can still feast on lesser players.
Congrats on the A/B Honor Roll tonight guys!
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Thankks op.
You're my boy, blue.
Good write up
I think at this point we can say Dedmon is in the doghouse, unfortunately. At least it didn't hurt the Spurs tonight.
I honestly think if Duncan were here, he wouldn't of said that. And if he did, Old Man Riverwalk would of let him know to expect not to play. Also Pop prolly trying to save him several million from an opt out.Good write up
I think at this point we can say Dedmon is in the doghouse, unfortunately. At least it didn't hurt the Spurs tonight.
Thanks Raybies for stepping up again.
You can see what this team may become when you look at a game like this. Kawhi and LMA splitting time as the top option with Parker and Pau filling in the gaps, and Green and Kawhi forcing players to either take contested jumpers or challenge Pau and LMA in places where the Spurs have the advantage. They'd have to tighten things up to beat the Warriors with this lineup, and until they can figure out how to defend lobs, the Clippers are a scary match-up, but everyone will be a more effective players if no one uses up the bulk of the offense.
The second unit is still fluid and probably will be until the Spurs can string together some more games with a healthy rotation. They are moving away from the Lee/Dedmon combo, which is among other things a reason why people shouldn't make threads after two games laughing at concerns about those two as a tandem. But more than that, it means that the fourth-big spot is still open. Will Anderson get it? You'd've thought based on the match-up and his great play last game. Will Bertans get it? Will the Spurs get another big eventually to take it? I'd like to see Pop have a non-fluid answer, even if it will change in some match-ups. The second unit still needs an iden y beyond hope that someone on the bench has a great game.
I'd still like to see a trade to get a solid rotation guard, but I do hope that Parker and Manu can peak at the right time, which means I probably won't be too happy or sad with their play until around the RRT.
We're going to lose in the CF cause Pop cant get over a demonstrative tweet of a Black man, tbh..Good write up
I think at this point we can say Dedmon is in the doghouse, unfortunately. At least it didn't hurt the Spurs tonight.
My prediction.
Also Leonard deserves to shoot 25 of he wanted too..Chinook is just being an Ass and compeltely forgettting the playoffs.
Unless something changes this team's ceiling is the second round tbh. Nothing about this team makes me think they can beat GS or LAC.
Thanks Sir Raybies!
Thanks. I wasn't as happy with our performance tonight. Our D has to be more active and more aggressive.
Thanks raybies! Solid writeup
It was improved though. I gave them credit for that. It wasn't anything like last year but we're not gonna be that even at peak.
Thanks for the grades!
One thing is what Kawhi deserves, and other is what the team needs.
Even when he deserves ton of shots, the team doesn't need Kawhi taking 25 shots every night.
But this game shows that Kawhi parking in the corner for most game again, won't help.
They need to keep him more involved instead of calling him as superhero to save the day like tonight in the 4th quarter...when they needed him to take over scoring almost 8 consecutive points when the Rockets made a run.
Also, with Parker on the floor the idea of playing some two-man game between Kawhi-Pau/LMA...fizzles.
It's a shame because when Parker/Manu won't look that good in playoffs against elite teams, this team will need other option, and we wasted another season without exploring Kawhi as that option.
I find it very funny/incoherent when people say 'but but Kawhi wasn't aggressive in the last minute of game 5'Chinook is just being an Ass and compeltely forgettting the playoffs.
When they want him to park in the corner and barely shoot the ball.
'Focus on D. Just play D, Kawhi...'
Like if this team can survive if Kawhi doesn't score...
I wonder why he didn't mention Kawhi as one of the Spurs strenghts
Thanks for the grades!
One thing is what Kawhi deserves, and other is what the team needs.
Even when he deserves ton of shots, the team doesn't need Kawhi taking 25 shots every night.
But this game shows that Kawhi parking in the corner for most game again, won't help.
They need to keep him more involved instead of calling him as superhero to save the day like tonight in the 4th quarter...when they needed him to take over scoring almost 8 consecutive points when the Rockets made a run.
Also, with Parker on the floor the idea of playing some two-man game between Kawhi-Pau/LMA...fizzles.
It's a shame because when Parker/Manu won't look that good in playoffs against elite teams, this team will need other option, and we wasted another season without exploring Kawhi as that option.
I find it very funny/incoherent when people say 'but but Kawhi wasn't aggressive in the last minute of game 5'
When they want him to park in the corner and barely shoot the ball.
'Focus on D. Just play D, Kawhi...'
Like if this team will survive if Kawhi doesn't score...
I wonder why he didn't mention Kawhi as one of the Spurs strenghts
It's really about balance tbh. But that will come with time. Can't have Kawbe out there chucking us into oblivion and we can't just ignore him and then expect him to turn it on at the end, however i'm glad the team recognizes him as the closer. He's earned that already and maybe it had to take Pop jumping up and down to give him the ball for the team to see him that way, but he delivers for the most part. But I agree for the most part with Chinook in the aspect that it needs to be balanced. All the plants need to be watered and Kawhi is most like a cactus. He has other ways to impact a game besides offense. He started his career as a role player and was developed into a star. He'll be fine. I'm sure he's happy they got a win more than his numbers. He's a machine, remember.
Thanks for your grades raybies. I missed this game.
Leave it to you to cry over Kawhi not getting enough shots even when win. Any Leonard shill should want to forget the playoffs. At best, it shows that Leonard is still extremely inconsistent as the first option, so him being 1A and getting like 27 percent of the shots rather than 35-40 percent is much better.
I do have a question for anyone, since I didn't watch this. I just looked at the stats and noticed Pop played his 3 main bigs a lot in a B2B. I thought this was going to be a game for Dedmon to play more specially after Pau getting 37 minutes last night. So I do wonder if this is just a way to humble him, or it's just a matter of getting Pau and LMA time together since they had not exhibited good chemistry and hadn't been playing well together. It's more of a general wondering...
Truth be told, the team probably needed to focus on LmA and Pau anyways, they were not going to be better by ignoring the issue if they didn't have chemistry. It might just be a function of Pop needing to address this than anything having to do with Dedmon, but since I missed the game, I am wondering.
That's exactly what I think...Also, a good option to avoid the Kawbe is involving him in other ways than the Isos at the top of the key.
Against Detroit, ****** said that the team should give him the ball in favorable matchups, he repeatly said that Kawhi was asking for the ball having Ish Smith defending him and Parker opted to look for his own shot.
Exploiting mismatches, playing him in two-man games...He's one of the most versatile scorers in the league and Pop gives him only Isos. It's a shame.
Obviously, he has. But if people think that this team will win many games with Kawhi being passive on offense, they're as crazy as Chinnok.He has other ways to impact a game besides offense
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Why I can't post the last name of former Spurs SF who made a historic shot??
A lot of ******
Is this a joke?
Thanks Raybies!
I'll try to answer this... IMO Pop is going for the wins. He has Pau who is showing that he offensively has a lot in the tank. So i think situationally he felt he could maybe extend the lead by playing Pau against lesser players, and I mean at the end of the third quarter. I hope he does this going forward cause spreading the wealth would be awesome. We have a lot of options in the starting lineup and playing Pau with the bench gives him the chance to be a focal point and feel important, which I'd assume, really means a lot to him. So like a old Manu role or current Durant role. I'm not sure if Pop was planning this or if it just happened. I'm sure Pop would want to limit minutes more but maybe he's like, "what the heck,'' and feels he needs to coach more due to Duncan need being there. In past he could have bad stretches and feel like, "we're gonna be fine, just need to be healthy at the end," but now he needs to put them in the best position to win because it's a new team and we have no idea how they will respond. I think it's fairly reasonable to think we need to go for the one seed and for obvious reasons, so we might not see very many tanked games this year.
Leave ot to chinook to suggest an offensive system that crashed in the playoffs last year..
Yes, relying in a top 60pg and a washed up gasol consistently on the offensive end is what going to win is games
Pop clearly deliberaltey wanted Kawhi to start the season strong and hes going to have many nights where hes going to take up 30-35 of the shots...
Its a must since thats how the playoffs is going to come down to...Trying otherwise, is re ed.
Apa, you know as well as I do that the Spurs rode Kawhiso in two playoffs in a row. Don't try to blame the losses on Kawhi not shooting enough. Not getting good enough looks? Sure. Needing help so guys can't key in on him? Yes. Not shooting enough iso pull-ups? Nope.Leave ot to chinook to suggest an offensive system that crashed in the playoffs last year
Yes, relying in a top 60pg and a washed up gasol consistently on the offensive end is what going to win is games
Pop clearly deliberaltey wanted Kawhi to start the season strong and hes going to have many nights where hes going to take up 30-35 of the shots...
Its a must since thats how the playoffs is going to come down to...Trying otherwise, is re ed.
Then again, you openly want Pop to force feed Kawhi to get him an MVP, so we know where your head is on this subject.
Your making things up. The Spurs never played a kawhi centric offense in the playoffs. Porker 21 shots in game 7 two years ago...and never did last year.
Your delusional if you dont think a superstar needs his nights to prepare for playoff games that is more than like going to come down to best players makong buckets or not...
If Kawhi feels like he wants to take 30..he should.
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