Every progressive should watch this epic video

[Spurminator]

This is starting to sound a lot like the "black-on-black crime" counter argument to concerns over police brutality. Certainly, there are worse problems going on. But the PC issue is still potentially an issue, especially because it can affect the ability for us to debate and come to a consensus on the other issues.

As far as echo chambers and safe places go, I think the effect has been that the regular Internet has been a safe place for liberal views, so it's given a skewed perception on what public thought is. Because the only public opinion schools like Harvard and Columbia really come into contact is coated in PC, they feel the pressure/confidence to ban teams for having "bad thoughts" essentially. In all the articles/comments I have shifted through about those incidents, the opinions are like 90 percent in favor of the regulations. I imagine an honest vote from the American people would show a much different story.

All of this is fair. I'm right with you on how echo chambers lead to laziness with regards to understanding opposing points of view. My OP was a bit of a kneejerk response to the flood of "OMG PC Culture" hysteria I keep seeing here and elsewhere. It's not to say I don't think it needs to be addressed or discussed.

Also, whiskey.

[spurraider21]

There is plenty of room to question PR articles, though. At best, they can be considered current consensus, but they get the power of fact in debates for some reason.

No, but you do get a lot of "I'm right because science" from people who probably haven't really tried to understand the science. I remember arguing with people over research papers and their power in that thread there AP was beating his kid. The article posted about corporal punishment was full of issues, and I pointed them out. The general response was, "Do your own paper or STFU", as if bad evidence is better than no evidence.

i recall that discussion, and i believe it was Cry Havoc who you were arguing with that time

as for PR papers and consensus, there is always going to be a fine line between getting the power of fact and getting the power of an overwhelming preponderance of the evidence. but having a PR paper is what helps escape the appeal to authority issue. any scientist can go on TV and say "as an expert, i think a and b are true, and x and y are false." but if they have research showing such that have gone through the PR process, what they say actually has weight. when a virtual consensus of all papers in that field hold the same opinions, its quite difficult for non-scientists to refute it. but they do

[Chinook]

All of this is fair. I'm right with you on how echo chambers lead to laziness with regards to understanding opposing points of view. My OP was a bit of a kneejerk response to the flood of "OMG PC Culture" hysteria I keep seeing here and elsewhere. It's not to say I don't think it needs to be addressed or discussed.

Also, whiskey.

[Chinook]

i recall that discussion, and i believe it was Cry Havoc who you were arguing with that time

as for PR papers, there is always going to be a fine line between getting the power of fact and getting the power of an overwhelming preponderance of the evidence.

It probably was Cry during one of his stints away from Reddit.

Anyway, even that view on PR papers is extremely optimistic. At the risk of being one of those people I just railed against:



The "peer" element is a double-edged sword. That people have to fight to get their research published with thing that aren't just "This is statistically likely."

[spurraider21]

It probably was Cry during one of his stints away from Reddit.

Anyway, even that view on PR papers is extremely optimistic. At the risk of being one of those people I just railed against:



The "peer" element is a double-edged sword. That people have to fight to get their research published with thing that aren't just "This is statistically likely."

right. just because a paper has gone through the PR process, that doesn't make it gospel. but this is where consensus, particularly over the course of decades, carries weight

[Chinook]

right. just because a paper has gone through the PR process, that doesn't make it gospel. but this is where consensus, particularly over the course of decades, carries weight

I agree it carries weight, but I don't think that means that simply agreeing with the consensus means you understand it enough to silence opposition. And that of course only applies to older concepts like evolution. Things like transgender research may be much more murky, especially given that rather than general skepticism like most science should face, those studies have social pressure to be significant.

[spurraider21]

I agree it carries weight, but I don't think that means that simply agreeing with the consensus means you understand it enough to silence opposition. And that of course only applies to older concepts like evolution. Things like transgender research may be much more murky, especially given that rather than general skepticism like most science should face, those studies have social pressure to be significant.

agreed... but if the opposition has no understanding either, you are again left with the word of scientists vs the word of... bloggers?

[Quadzilla99]

I would love to hear everyone's personal experiences with "safe spaces" or " micro aggressions" or any of the ultra-PC travesties that are ruining the country. Please give a personal example of when you have encountered this in your life outside of reading about it. Thx

[Quadzilla99]

It does represent a big portion of the liberal public face. That's the face that's supposed to engage independents and try to win over people from the opposing side. Trump's a perfect example of that, with most people looking at him like he was a talking point more than a candidate. I mean, look at the vid I just posted from Ezra. It's ridiculous how huge the echo chamber is. And again, I really can't stand that conservative views or even plain old bigoted views are called "ignorant", as if the only thing preventing people from not being assholes is education.

You can call them dumb and they can be dumb at the same time:
http://www.rollcall.com/news/politic...k-obama-muslim
https://www.bustle.com/articles/1922...lly-been-asked

[Quadzilla99]

Some links about the Midwest rural areas etc:

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/796753726715400192

https://twitter.com/pwthornton/statu...55506759671808

Truthfully the bubble/echo chamber is on both sides.

[spurraider21]

[DMC]

anyone who goes around looking for articles is doing it wrong. articles dont carry weight. peer reviewed papers do. even when an article links to a paper, the articles often misstate the actual findings, so its the original source that matters. when it comes to original peer reviewed source material, the information is largely one sided

Either way, it's either a binary 1 or a binary 0. There's not a lot of philosophy behind it so there's nothing to really debate.

i dont know if anybody here has ever claimed to have done the research themselves. i dont know that anybody here is a paleoclimatologist, an atmospheric physician, an oceanographer, a glaciologist, etc. i dont know that anybody here has claimed to have collected data firsthand, or crunched the numbers and published their findings.

Have you never heard of Wild Cobra?

you have one camp who recites what actual climate scientists publish and another camp that largely resorts to blogs/articles as there is very limited peer reviewed work. i dont think any of the people debating here claim to be the scientists doing the actual research

Of course not, don't be a . Climate change is either happening or its not happening. It's not a political discussion, but a science based one. You can argue the political aspects of climate change, but not the change itself. Are all law students pedantic s or are you special?

yes there is plenty of confirmation bias to go around. a lot of this comes from the fact that there has been a failure to separate the science from the politics.

Thus my response.

[boutons_deux]

even religion is involved for the Bible humpers, since "We are in God's hands" bull . up the planet (for profit), God will save us, and other cretinous bull from Religionists.

[SpursforSix]

even religion is involved for the Bible humpers, since "We are in God's hands" bull . up the planet (for profit), God will save us, and other cretinous bull from Religionists.

hey there...you never addressed my question about your mom having baboon vagina.

[spurraider21]

Either way, it's either a binary 1 or a binary 0. There's not a lot of philosophy behind it so there's nothing to really debate.

Have you never heard of Wild Cobra?

Of course not, don't be a . Climate change is either happening or its not happening. It's not a political discussion, but a science based one. You can argue the political aspects of climate change, but not the change itself. Are all law students pedantic s or are you special?

Thus my response.

i'm pretty sure we're in agreement on just about everything here, so not sure why you're getting your panties in a bunch. i agree that its a scientific issue and not a political one, hence my post

[DMC]

i'm pretty sure we're in agreement on just about everything here, so not sure why you're getting your panties in a bunch. i agree that its a scientific issue and not a political one, hence my post

Because "yep" is parsimonious while all the yapping you did was just posturing. Get over yourself.

[mingus]

That video pretty much encapsulates every criticism I've had of the left.

The problem is it's on the right too at least just as much. Just subs ute "he/she is racist, phobic, Islamaphobic etc. mudslinging" w/ he/she is a "socialist/Marxist, anti-2nd Amendment, tree hugger etc." mudslinging.

The real problem is the media. It's easy to blame solely T.V. but the same pollutes the Internet & radio too. The level of hate & vitriol that's on every media "news" outlet, which is done for entertainment & viewership purposes & not to inform people watching/listening, rubs off on people who watch/listen, & take what these head entertainers disguised as pundits as legitimate discussions/arguments.

It's a pity Trump won IMO. Not that I'd rather have Hillary necessarily. I don't think he gives a rats ass about the people of this country. I don't think he cares about making America "great" nearly as much as making his own legacy "great". Greatness is somewhat subjective & I highly doubt I have the same concept of it as he does. I think he's already accomplished for the most part what he's wanted all along, which is simply to be President. He's an egomaniacal narcissist. He loves superficial/material (money, models, brands, status), but I don't think he has it in him to appreciate what truly makes something/someone great. He is obviously talented/skilled/knowledgeable in real estate & making money for himself w/ his other businesses, but I don't think it carries over to his presidency. Like most egomaniacs & narcissists--so delusional in the belief that they eat, sleep & excellence, have everything figured out & in love w/ themselves--he's going to overestimate his abilities, fall flat on his face, & then blame someone/something else for ing up--anything to defend his name. I think his running/becoming president is his overestimation. Because that's all his campaign was about & that's all his presidency will be about--him. He's full of .

That said, I don't think people voted for "Trump" more than they voted for an anti-establishment guy. And I think if he starts ing up &/or reneging on his promises he'll find that out pretty fast from the people. In that sense, I think public opinion will influence his presidency quite a bit. Which might be a good thing. I think politicians have been following what media elites have to say for way too long.

[Spurminator]

Trump already on his way to be the most sensitive, easily offended President in our country's history. Get this man a safe space quickly.

Complete transcript of the harassment:
"Vice President-elect Pence, we welcome you and we truly thank you for joining us here at 'Hamilton: An American Musical.' We really do," Dixon said. "We, sir, we are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights, sir. But we truly hope this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and work on behalf of all of us. All of us. Thank you."

[boutons_deux]

Complete transcript of the harassment:
"Vice President-elect Pence, we welcome you and we truly thank you for joining us here at 'Hamilton: An American Musical.' We really do," Dixon said. "We, sir, we are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights, sir. But we truly hope this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and work on behalf of all of us. All of us. Thank you."

Pence and Trash feel threatened, un "safe", by that feel-good pablum?

The crowd was more explicit, outright BOOING Pence. NYC theatre crowd ain't nasty, bigoted Indiana.

[Oh, Gee!!]

It's patently un-American to air grievances to elected officials

[Th'Pusher]

Trump already on his way to be the most sensitive, easily offended President in our country's history. Get this man a safe space quickly.

Complete transcript of the harassment:
"Vice President-elect Pence, we welcome you and we truly thank you for joining us here at 'Hamilton: An American Musical.' We really do," Dixon said. "We, sir, we are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights, sir. But we truly hope this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and work on behalf of all of us. All of us. Thank you."

I can't believe the american people elected such a pussy into the White House.

[baseline bum]

I can't believe the american people elected such a pussy into the White House.

You mean the electoral college elected such a pussy. The people voted for Clinton by 1.4 million votes.

[spurraider21]

the theater should be a safe space
RGMCSE

[Oh, Gee!!]

What a cuck

[spurraider21]

this is why the dems lost the election. dumb liberals like trump with their bull safe spaces