Popovich rips into Trump

[littlecoyotecoin]

[QUOTE=bigfan;8799449]

Its so encouraging to know the guy who is about to be President of the United States, the guy that is entrusted to make the right decision when an ICBM can hit its target around the world in 30 minutes, is going to jump on his frickin TWITTER to make some comment about how he feels about a rude crowd at some Broadway show.

Kind of like when Obama ran to a podium to blame the police every time a black man started writing checks his ass couldn't cash...running to the podium and blaming the police before any investigation has happened and before any facts are gathered, fomenting and fanning flames of racial divide unseen in decades. Causing, almost single-handedly, multiple black on white crimes across America, promoting rioting, etc. You mean that sort of rushing to judgement and irresponsibility? I've met irresponsible media pandering, and Trump's tweet is no Kennnedy!

[littlecoyotecoin]

Trump had four bankruptcies of companies that failed on his watch. Mitt Romney's Bain specialized in taking over and turning around companies that were already struggling and could use bankruptcy proceedings to facilitate their restructuring. That's not a subtle difference.

Who cares. Henry Ford went bankrupt. Doesn't mean he wasn't quite brilliant. That is not to impky Trump is a genius. Just that filing bankruptcy isn't, by itself, any measure of anything, really. It is a tool to be used when advantageous. Not using it, and failing out of spite and principle, that would be pretty dumb. He used it and brought his own company back to strength. Just as you are seemingly praising Romney for doing. He did it with his own company, like Ford, and many others. Criticizing him for that summons the Roosevelt quote:
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - See more at: http://m.mentalfloss.com/article.php....EvvrJ63A.dpuf

I think Trump has made several mistakes and has issues, but some of these criticisms just don't hold water. Him filing bankruptcy is one of them.

[littlecoyotecoin]

While the negatives get plenty of press, rarely do things like this:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/offwhite.../#7aa55b4726b2

For the sake of our country, I hope he can do some of this nationwide. He did call the people involved "idiots"...but the rink got built in 4 months for 3 million dollars, after it had been under construction for 6 years and 13 million dollars...with another projected two years and 6 million dollars expected (but no one thought that would actually happen). People just couldn't explain how he came in and solved that problem and made it look easy. We might have to tolerate him calling people idiots for the next 4-8 years, but he may actually fix some things. We may be like New Yorkers, looking back, perplexed. How did that idiot that was calling us idiots get so much accomplished. This may be wishful thinking. Government is far more broken than that skating rink, but he HAS demonstrated some competencies. I for one hope they trump his short-comings.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Also, for reference, Heinz, Hershey, Disney, and three previous presidents have all filed bankruptcy including good ol' Abraham Lincoln. Ford filed bankruptcy twice.

[Mr. Body]

Dude couldn't even make a casino run properly.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Oh, and the left's whipping boy, George W. Bush, I don't believe has ever filed bankruptcy! Arbusto and Spectrum 7 must have been great successes! As well as his financial management of US? Oh, wait, he ballooned the debt? And Obama who never filed bankruptcy because he never ran also ballooned the debt, doubling even Bush's ridiculous debt spending? Yeah...those non-filers are real financial geniuses. Thanks for both of them.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Dude couldn't even make a casino run properly.

He has been in business for DECADES. Plenty of his stuff has run properly. Meaningless criticism. Again.

Sounds just as dumb as "Dude couldn't even make ketchup right."

[DMX7]

Who cares. Henry Ford went bankrupt. Doesn't mean he wasn't quite brilliant. That is not to impky Trump is a genius. Just that filing bankruptcy isn't, by itself, any measure of anything, really. It is a tool to be used when advantageous. Not using it, and failing out of spite and principle, that would be pretty dumb. He used it and brought his own company back to strength. Just as you are seemingly praising Romney for doing. He did it with his own company, like Ford, and many others. Criticizing him for that summons the Roosevelt quote:
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - See more at: http://m.mentalfloss.com/article.php....EvvrJ63A.dpuf

I think Trump has made several mistakes and has issues, but some of these criticisms just don't hold water. Him filing bankruptcy is one of them.

His businesses didn't go bankrupt once or twice or three times... they went bankrupt four times! That is NOT normal. And he is not a self made man unlike many other great entrepreneurs. He inherited a ton of money, connections and his dad's successful company. He was born on third base.

[littlecoyotecoin]

His businesses didn't go bankrupt once or twice or three times... they went bankrupt four times! That is NOT normal. And he is not a self made man unlike many other great entrepreneurs. He inherited a ton of money, connections and his dad's successful company. He was born on third base.

Empty criticisms. None of those things would prevent him from being a successful president. Henry Ford filed twice. Quibbling about two vs four is pointless. Different sectors of business, different eras, etc. No one said "normal". What was said is that you can't discern from filing bankrupty that someone is brilliant or not. And, being confronted with facts, you want to argue that now it is ok, seemingly, to file once or twice and you can still be a historical business icon, but four times in a different industry spanning different eras is somehow a magical number that is some sort of difinitive proof of something. It is not. It means very little of anything, and even less so that the filings led to his eventual success.

No one is saying he wasn't rich, either. Clinton is worth 1/4 of a Billion, too. Mostly ill-gotten gains. Soros funding. Saudis. Rothschilds. Etc.

I don't think it was some sort of secret that Trump was from a wealthy family? That is not breaking news.

Paris Hilton was from a similar family. Who is working harder to keep that going, Paris or Donald? You can be born into wealth and squander it all, be a bum, etc. Trump may have been able to do better, but he has done pretty well.

Another stupid criticism (in addition to your stupid criticism) is that Trump's wealth would have grown more if he just put it in the SP500. The admission and criticism there is that Trump could have done BETTER than the average SP500 return. That's one of a stupid criticism. It is an admission that he has been successful, just not AS successful as he could have been after a historical SP500 fueled by the fed. Just mind-numbingly stupid . Retrospectively, then, all companies ever run less profitably than the current yield of the SP500 should have been scuttled and the funds dumped into the SP500 or their CEOs were failures, etc. Some ventures are just more successful than others. Grocery stores do not have the same margins as software companies, etc. That doesn't mean they are failures. Could he have done better? Anyone can always do better. Including Trump. He has made many mistakes. But, in the end, he is still very successful.

Fact is, running for president is very expensive. Good for him that he started on 3rd base or he never could have afforded it. Clinton had too much money and 97% of the media on her side. Basically like state run media in the dark places of the world. That being said, he ran the most inexpensive campaign imaginable.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN1341JR

Let us hope he is as fiscally responsible while he is in office as he was getting there.

Although whoever won was ed with debt and low growth. Clinton would have been screwed as well. He is almost immediately going to add to the 20 trillion Obama and Bush saddled us with. His infrastructure spending will guaranteed do that. But, we may actually GET SOMETHING for it. Unlike the Obama 10 trillion that is now gone with little to show.

[DMX7]

Empty criticisms. None of those things would prevent him from being a successful president. Henry Ford filed twice. Quibbling about two vs four is pointless. Different sectors of business, different eras, etc. No one said "normal". What was said is that you can't discern from filing bankrupty that someone is brilliant or not. And, being confronted with facts, you want to argue that now it is ok, seemingly, to file once or twice and you can still be a historical business icon, but four times in a different industry spanning different eras is somehow a magical number that is some sort of difinitive proof of something. It is not. It means very little of anything, and even less so that the filings led to his eventual success.

No one is saying he wasn't rich, either. Clinton is worth 1/4 of a Billion, too. Mostly ill-gotten gains. Soros funding. Saudis. Rothschilds. Etc.

I don't think it was some sort of secret that Trump was from a wealthy family? That is not breaking news.

Paris Hilton was from a similar family. Who is working harder to keep that going, Paris or Donald? You can be born into wealth and squander it all, be a bum, etc. Trump may have been able to do better, but he has done pretty well.

Another stupid criticism (in addition to your stupid criticism) is that Trump's wealth would have grown more if he just put it in the SP500. The admission and criticism there is that Trump could have done BETTER than the average SP500 return. That's one of a stupid criticism. It is an admission that he has been successful, just not AS successful as he could have been after a historical SP500 fueled by the fed. Just mind-numbingly stupid . Retrospectively, then, all companies ever run less profitably than the current yield of the SP500 should have been scuttled and the funds dumped into the SP500 or their CEOs were failures, etc. Some ventures are just more successful than others. Grocery stores do not have the same margins as software companies, etc. That doesn't mean they are failures. Could he have done better? Anyone can always do better. Including Trump. He has made many mistakes. But, in the end, he is still very successful.

Fact is, running for president is very expensive. Good for him that he started on 3rd base or he never could have afforded it. Clinton had too much money and 97% of the media on her side. Basically like state run media in the dark places of the world. That being said, he ran the most inexpensive campaign imaginable.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN1341JR

Let us hope he is as fiscally responsible while he is in office as he was getting there.

Although whoever won was ed with debt and low growth. Clinton would have been screwed as well. He is almost immediately going to add to the 20 trillion Obama and Bush saddled us with. His infrastructure spending will guaranteed do that. But, we may actually GET SOMETHING for it. Unlike the Obama 10 trillion that is now gone with little to show.

First of all, why do you keep bringing up Henry Ford? Trump is not in the same league as Ford. He must really have people duped if they believe that.

Second, I didn't say his business failures prevent him for being a good president. I genuinely hope he does well, but we can only judge him based on his record and promises. He doesn't have military experience to judge him on. He doesn't have political experience to judge him on. And his business experience consists of four bankruptcies, a $25M settled fraud case (Trump University) and a string of other failures... so I'm just not optimistic that his self described "genius" is going to do a lot for the country but I certainly hope I'm wrong.

Just so you know, I actually like some of his proposals (less foreign intervention, more public works projects, more restrictive trade, etc.) so I'm not just saying this to be anti-Trump. In a way, the fact that he is not an ideologue makes him uniquely positioned within the republican party to actually create positive systemic change that benefits both left and right.

[cjw]

Trump had four bankruptcies of companies that failed on his watch. Mitt Romney's Bain specialized in taking over and turning around companies that were already struggling and could use bankruptcy proceedings to facilitate their restructuring. That's not a subtle difference.

Yes, but in a few instances the financial leverage under Bain put companies back under. But that's called capitalism. I know there's a huge difference between Romney's business a en and Trump's. Trump made his money off brand in the end as he failed as a developer.

[littlecoyotecoin]

First of all, why do you keep bringing up Henry Ford? Trump is not in the same league as Ford. He must really have people duped if they believe that.

Second, I didn't say his business failures prevent him for being a good president. I genuinely hope he does well, but we can only judge him based on his record and promises. He doesn't have military experience to judge him on. He doesn't have political experience to judge him on. And his business experience consists of four bankruptcies, a $25M settled fraud case (Trump University) and a string of other failures... so I'm just not optimistic that his self described "genius" is going to do a lot for the country but I certainly hope I'm wrong.

Just so you know, I actually like some of his proposals (less foreign intervention, more public works projects, more restrictive trade, etc.) so I'm not just saying this to be anti-Trump. In a way, the fact that he is not an ideologue makes him uniquely positioned within the republican party to actually create positive systemic change that benefits both left and right.

No one said he was Ford. Where did you read that? A 25 million dollar settlement? Chump change compared to the stuff he has on his plate. I am glad he sucked it up and decided not to try to defend it. He has a much more important job on his hands. But, if we are to judge him on that settlement, it goes in contrast to the actual settlement which was no admission of guilt. It was actually mature of him to swallow his pride and not fight it. And it is a bit disingenuous of you to now saying bringing up his bankruptcies was not some sort of hack attempt on his competence and credibility. If I somehow misunderstood that, which I don't think I did, I apologize.

[DMX7]

No one said he was Ford. Where did you read that? A 25 million dollar settlement? Chump change compared to the stuff he has on his plate. I am glad he sucked it up and decided not to try to defend it. He has a much more important job on his hands. But, if we are to judge him on that settlement, it goes in contrast to the actual settlement which was no admission of guilt. It was actually mature of him to swallow his pride and not fight it. And it is a bit disingenuous of you to now saying bringing up his bankruptcies was not some sort of hack attempt on his competence and credibility. If I somehow misunderstood that, which I don't think I did, I apologize.

Then why bring up Ford? No one is saying you can't be considered successful if you've had one or two bankruptcies, but Ford's record shouldn't be compared to or used to dismiss Trump's bankruptcies. And if that's not the point you're trying to make by bringing him up repeatedly, then what is?

$25M is a substantial sum of money for an individual whether or not you're about to become president. I'll judge it similar to how his lawyers almost certainly judged it, and that is that $25M was worth less than the risk and probability of him losing a lot more based on the merits of accusers' case.... which doesn't speak well for Mr. Trump.

And do you really think bringing up 4 bankruptcies is a "hack attempt" to criticize his business a en? Do you realize how much money was lost by investors, debt holders, contractors, etc. These were massive failures, so much so that he wrote off almost $1B in personal business losses in a single year. That's not something you dismiss as hackery unless you're just totally disconnected from reality when assessing his business record. If that's not fair game, then what is?

[Mr. Body]

He has been in business for DECADES. Plenty of his stuff has run properly. Meaningless criticism. Again.

Sounds just as dumb as "Dude couldn't even make ketchup right."

His ass is littered with failed businesses, if they weren't outright fraudulent. His real talent is walking away from bankruptcy and business disaster letting others foot the bill and making himself richer. That's what we're expecting for the next four years, soaking us for all we're worth.

[daslicer]

Trump is a great salesman and is great at marketing. That's really where his strength is at but he sucks at actually running a business.

[Spurtacular]

The last four presidential nominees and elected in the Republican side have had massive daddy issues, George W. Bush, John McCain, Mitt Romney, and now Trump. All twisted up inside trying to live up to richer, more powerful daddies.

Not even close, dude. Three of four if not four of four are richer than their parents were; and in Trump, Romney and McCain's cases much richer. Though McCain married into money.

[Spurtacular]

Trump is a great salesman and is great at marketing. That's really where his strength is at but he sucks at actually running a business.

There's some anecdotal data to suggest that; we'll see how good of an admin he will or won't be.

[Mikeanaro]

She is not even good at walking...

[bic50]

What are you talking about pussy

You know what I'm talking about. Racist.

[Clipper Nation]

Trump is the only businessman who gets judged solely on his failures, while his much longer list of success stories are forgotten. Newsflash: when you put your name on a load of ventures, they're not all going to succeed. Nobody's perfect, after all. But Trump has done quite well for himself. You SJWs can keep whining from Mommy's basement that a multibillionaire is really a failure at business, but don't expect normal people to buy your transparently untrue bull .

It's ironic how the party of Occupy Wall Street and "you didn't build that" suddenly pretends to be business experts whenever Trump's name is mentioned, btw.

[Spurtacular]

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Trump is a racist, mysogynist, compulsive liar billionaire oligarch who couldn't give a about anything but his own ego. He's just about to ruin the US economy with protectionist trade policies, and with his complete lack of foreign affairs a en he will add to the destabilisation of geopolitics at a crucial turning point in world history. America has just birthed the living embodiment of the movie Idiocracy. Well done... not.

Trump is a deplorable piece of of a human being and it is a pox on the 26% of eligible American voters who gave him the keys to the most powerful office on the world. It's also ing absurd that you can lose the popular vote by a couple of million people but still win the election.

Anyone who voted for him is a ing idiot because he is doing exactly what he said he wouldn't by appointing lobbyists and insiders all across his team, and he is just about to make things far worse for the poor and middle class, minorities, and global stability.

Just to be clear, I'm no fan of HRC - but she was a far better option than that compulsive liar and narcissistic Trump. South Park got it right - you had a choice between a flaming and a turd sandwich, and in that dichotomy I'll take the flaming every time.

Sadly, American society has been fraying at the edges for decades, driven by deep rifts in income inequality and racism, and I fear that this is the rip that tears it apart. Sadly, I fear that this will end in one of two things: martial law or civil war.

Queue the RWNJs...

[Mr. Body]

Not even close, dude. Three of four if not four of four are richer than their parents were; and in Trump, Romney and McCain's cases much richer. Though McCain married into money.

Still had intense daddy issues, each of them.

[Spurtacular]

Still had intense daddy issues, each of them.

All speak highly of their fathers. All successfully followed in the footsteps of their fathers. I'm not saying you're wrong; but I don't see much of a case. Maybe you see more than I do.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Pop should give the eulogy for this officer's funeral and thank Obama and the media for this .

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/loc...n-10626488.php