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I disagree on Kyles comment, he DOES NOT belong in the NBA. Unbelievable how some here STILL defend him.
Beyond his hypocrisy, Pop is doing it for the team's development.
You gotta play the rookies to see what they are made of.
In a real match scenario where losing is a big possibility (as compared to garbage time).
On their fan page,Mav fans were elated to see LMA and Parker being rested.
Nothing about being disrespect.
I understand your point.
But Pop does what he does for long term good.
That outweighs the bad in this case (and Spurs still win!)
I disagree on Kyles comment, he DOES NOT belong in the NBA. Unbelievable how some here STILL defend him.
Look, if Pop had just rested the guys and not said anything after the game, that would be fine. The issue is that he called his team out, and pretty much questioned their characters. You can't get after your guys for not playing as hard as they can when you clearly aren't coaching them as hard as you can. There's no reason why guys like Leonard and Gasol shouldn't coast when Pop clearly had the same at ude when his roster.
The Spurs won, the young guys got real game time and no one got hurt. That should be a good thing for everyone. Instead, we have ing from the coach for the team playing to his standards. Beyond the hypocrisy is the fact that you can only pull cards so many times before they lose their effect. Pop's been pulling this one for a while, and honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't starting to lose its effect now.
If I want to make sense of it, he might want the guys who actually play, to play harder, after the line ups are set for the night.
He had a choice to play LMA, since Dedmon was injured, and the team is already short of big men. He had a choice to start Patty, and give Murray his "teaching moments" off the bench. He had a choice to start Lee at the 4, instead of Bertans who has almost no minutes under his belt. Then the arrogant bas got up in the postgame and railed on the PLAYERS for not respecting their opponent? It's just a shame there's no grade lower than "F".
And Anderson stans like you see what you want to see as well. Pretty sure it's not funneling when he tries to half-ass steal the ball after the defender goes passed him because he sucks at staying in front of his man.
But go ahead, I'm sure your eyesight is better than ours.
Thank God for David Lee.
David Lee is a pleasant surprise tbh... nobody was expecting much about him and yet dude is one of the most consistent dude when given minutes, he seems to have a great at ude and actually give his efforts on defense... Props
Pop is rightly so critized here but we are lacking depth so yeah he has to give minutes to the end of bench guys to see what he has to work with tbh... you can criticize how he is doing it for sure, now and also for sure he needs to play them and not only in garbage time. I don't have any issues about calling out players for that performance, Pop is not mad at turnovers or close win or that we did not deserve win he is just mad at the at ude. I don't like the "Pop seems to coast so it's ok also for players to not give a "... that tbh two wrongs don't make one right.
The players do deserve what Pop said. They just didn't have the right focus. If they're making the right plays and missing good looks that's one thing. But how many lazy passes did we see in that first half? And all the mental lapses letting guys like Curry/Matthews get open looks? I understand why some are upset with Pop, but outside of Lee and maybe Patty (and Kawhi late) who was playing with any fire or energy?
It's easy to blame Pop, but the players played with 0 fire overall. The young guys had a chance to really make an impact on the game and possibly their future roles, and they crapped the bed.
Well, if you are going to lay a steaming turd at home at least we won the damn thing. I'm sure Pop is being real pleasant and quiet to the guys this morning....
It's honestly the perfect scenario when you think about it. We have a 3 game road trip coming up, against a couple good EC teams. Rather them leave home feeling embarrassed and extra motivated than leaving with their egos inflated for beating a team by 25+.
You guys are the ones who have to explain how he can have great defensive metrics (for years now) despite being a "bad defender". There is an objective reality based on his numbers. One side is trying to explain it. The other is trying to discredit it. It's extremely generous to your stance to act as if the burdens of proof are equal.
Anyway, yes, it can totally be funneling to attempt a behind-the-back steal or block. I mean, why wouldn't you? It's one thing to stand still on a high PnR and just trying reaching. It's another thing to do it on the baseline as the guy runs toward a big. Is it text book? Not usually. Is it bad? No. Just like hard-closes aren't bad even though coaches don't traditionally teach players to do them.
Exactly. And this ignores that in many games it doesn't even look like he's fully engaged. I don't think Pop is giving the effort that new coaches often give. He's essentially just coasting. And that makes some sense so long as he's taking notes and teaching well in practice. But I don't think he's setting a good example for his guys at all.
Out of curiosity, what are the great defensive metrics being used?
I mean, look at how you quickly discredit the team around him when plays to his defensive numbers as well. There will always be 2 sides, one who's hating and one who's trying to find the littlest smallest detail they can in order to say this guy is doing something. Also, say I give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's funneling, but he's not doing it correctly. Funneling doesn't mean you get left behind, you are supposed to trap your man with your big, ideally force a turnover or a bad pass. But the way with Fathead is that his man gets pass him or he "funnels" but then he's too slow to even pressure his man, leaving the big on an island to deal with 2 players, the ball handler and his original man.
Also, the hate is not even on his defense. I mean, I call people hypocrites for hyping this guy up as if he's really an NBA caliber defender but that's not even it. His offense is really not for this team. He passes up the three balls. And you guys call for more touches? He dribbles into traffic, passes it to another player with only a few seconds left or shoots that ugly fadeaway which never goes in. Just about anything he does on the offensive side is pretty ing pathetic if you ask me.
Not only that, we know his lack of physical prowess but there are even possessions when he doesn't even try to close out or get the ing loose ball. He just ing looks at it. It's pretty infruriating.
Anyway, I think it's useless to discuss the technicalities of basketball when we always will look at different sides. I will always hate this dude as long as he is on a Spurs jersey. Sorry for being aggressiveThis scrub riles me up like no one ever does
O , zero to a 100 real quick.I mean, look at how you quickly discredit the team around him when plays to his defensive numbers as well. There will always be 2 sides, one who's hating and one who's trying to find the littlest smallest detail they can in order to say this guy is doing something. Also, say I give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's funneling, but he's not doing it correctly. Funneling doesn't mean you get left behind, you are supposed to trap your man with your big, ideally force a turnover or a bad pass. But the way with Fathead is that his man gets pass him or he "funnels" but then he's too slow to even pressure his man, leaving the big on an island to deal with 2 players, the ball handler and his original man.
Also, the hate is not even on his defense. I mean, I call people hypocrites for hyping this guy up as if he's really an NBA caliber defender but that's not even it. His offense is really not for this team. He passes up the three balls. And you guys call for more touches? He dribbles into traffic, passes it to another player with only a few seconds left or shoots that ugly fadeaway which never goes in. Just about anything he does on the offensive side is pretty ing pathetic if you ask me.
Not only that, we know his lack of physical prowess but there are even possessions when he doesn't even try to close out or get the ing loose ball. He just ing looks at it. It's pretty infruriating.
Anyway, I think it's useless to discuss the technicalities of basketball when we always will look at different sides. I will always hate this dude as long as he is on a Spurs jersey. Sorry for being aggressive
Excellent grades per par my nig Robz
I really hate anderson man... But Chinook is a good dude and ST needs him, and I got nothing but love for SAGirlO , zero to a 100 real quick.
The team will always reflect their coach. If Pop is putting half assed lineups who have never played together, what does he expect to happen? Pop set the tone for the poor effort against the Mavs, the players just followed his groundwork for the game.David Lee is a pleasant surprise tbh... nobody was expecting much about him and yet dude is one of the most consistent dude when given minutes, he seems to have a great at ude and actually give his efforts on defense... Props
Pop is rightly so critized here but we are lacking depth so yeah he has to give minutes to the end of bench guys to see what he has to work with tbh... you can criticize how he is doing it for sure, now and also for sure he needs to play them and not only in garbage time. I don't have any issues about calling out players for that performance, Pop is not mad at turnovers or close win or that we did not deserve win he is just mad at the at ude. I don't like the "Pop seems to coast so it's ok also for players to not give a "... that tbh two wrongs don't make one right.
They seem like nice guys. It's just they go some ty takes along with a superior-take complex.I really hate anderson man... But Chinook is a good dude and ST needs him, and I got nothing but love for SAGirl
DRPM: 1.49 -- Best ranking for two-guards by a mile. Would be sixth at SFs. Last season he was third in two guards with 1.97, which would have been sixth again for SFs. The dude absolutely wrecked opposing players in PER, giving up a 12 as a two-guard, and 8s as a forward. Second on the team in DBPM this season and last. Has been about neutral in defensive on/off, which is hard to do when you're backing up the DPoY. He has a similar DRB rate as Leonard (11.8 to 11.2 last year and 10.9 to 10.8 so far this season).
He actually compares pretty favorably to Leonard in his numbers, though you have to adjust for Kawhi being a starter and in general just more dynamic. He grades out better than Green, though the same caveats apply, obviously.
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Disingenuous to grade him as a 2 even though he played like one or 2 games.
It's that type of that gets you in trouble.
Well, the way rotations work, you don't normally expect the funneling guy to do anything with the big. That's for the other big to do. Then you get the rotation that leads to everyone sort of shifting down the horn one spot. You're right that you can funnel wrong. But just like with hard-closes, it's easy to see what happens when it doesn't work. But if you are correct enough with swipes and reaches, the numbers bear you out. For Anderson to have good metrics, something like this has to be the case.
You want to talk about him not getting it done on offense, and I'm there. I don't think it's a matter of skill, as I've said many times. I think it's mentality. How many games have people come here and said, "Kyle took way too many shots. He needs to start passing up some looks"? You get a guy who give 3/11 games, then you can talk about refining it to 4/7 games. But if you have 1/3 games, there's nowhere to go.Also, the hate is not even on his defense. I mean, I call people hypocrites for hyping this guy up as if he's really an NBA caliber defender but that's not even it. His offense is really not for this team. He passes up the three balls. And you guys call for more touches? He dribbles into traffic, passes it to another player with only a few seconds left or shoots that ugly fadeaway which never goes in. Just about anything he does on the offensive side is pretty ing pathetic if you ask me.
Dude has great size and timing, which is why his steal rate is on par with Kawhi's and his block rate is better. Dude certainly isn't playing up to his potential though.Not only that, we know his lack of physical prowess but there are even possessions when he doesn't even try to close out or get the ing loose ball. He just ing looks at it. It's pretty infruriating.
I guess so.Anyway, I think it's useless to discuss the technicalities of basketball when we always will look at different sides. I will always hate this dude as long as he is on a Spurs jersey. Sorry for being aggressive
ya but no sorry... It's like saying if my boss set the tone for poor effort I do the same within the company I work... Fact is sometimes you have solid boss, sometimes assholes, sometimes your usual good boss is having a poor couple of months for whatever reasons, on all cases you are a pro and do your job no matter what. The fact players may think dude is senile is not an excuse for a piss poor effort, effort is not on lineups and strategy consideration, effort is personnal. If you don't put the necessary effort into a game or don't act professionally it is on you not on your boss
On a side note, Anderson sucks, he sucks plain and simple. at this point it is on him and only on him, there is no excuse, no explanation other than him sucking. It's not like he is stagning, he is worst by a mile than last year. Globally he is above expectation on defensive side but way below expectation offensively, total gives us a scrub who did not figure out how to contribute, who continues to be lost on transition and on sets
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