The right has lost it.

[rmt]

I don't know.

It was not my definition, it was CCs.
Ask him.

Just pulling your leg - hubby was up early - first in line - don't know why he doesn't do absentee ballot like I do - guess he just likes the tradition of voting on Election day.

[Winehole23]

Disingenious people on all sides have used allegations and grievances for their own devices. It's a very selfish thing to do when legitimate cases are tried in public.

well, that seems to be normal, here

[pgardn]

well, that seems to be normal, here

Yep.

[DMC]

Sure but there are thoughts of internal discrimination that have a clear biological basis. Young children are not developed enough mentally to have the ability to understand or even read what we are typing. Internal discrimination based on obvious misconceptions are very danergouus. Blacks are stupid. Dark skin = stupid, lazy etc... It's in the genes. People believe this. "Smart" people who don't understand biology believe this. Even Nobel prize candidates in physics. There is no biological basis. It ain't there.

There is a biological basis for discrimination though. It's how we've survived. It doesn't matter how dangerous these things are, they aren't going anywhere. The new generations discriminate probably as much if not more than the older ones, they just pick different characteristics.

[DMC]

it's clear people are put off by the social disapprobation of racism.

which is the bigger grievance, the allegation of racism or the grievance against the same?

It's unimportant which is bigger. It's an individual concern that's being measured as a group concern. In reality there are no group concerns.

[pgardn]

There is a biological basis for discrimination though. It's how we've survived. It doesn't matter how dangerous these things are, they aren't going anywhere. The new generations discriminate probably as much if not more than the older ones, they just pick different characteristics.

Yes. We don't give infants and young children a large amount of freedom until we make up some arbitrary but workable ages where they can participate fully in society. This has biological basis in their mental capacity.

I would argue that darker skin as a genetic marker for lack of intelligence and laziness is a very dangerous idea. Much more dangerous than the aforementioned. And there are many notions that humans have And or gain through cultural practices that do not help the society survive, in fact they do exactly the opposite. Not every biological trait or biological trait that lead to certain behavior is an automatic natural selective advantage ( survival) just because we are here now with those traits and practicing those behaviors.

The above is a key misunderstanding of natural selection. If that's where you are going. So yes I do believe the ideas behind a discriminating personality can change its processing.

[RandomGuy]

I think it is ok for the president to enrich himself using his office while president.

Good to know, thanks for clearing that up.

[RandomGuy]

There is a biological basis for discrimination though. It's how we've survived. It doesn't matter how dangerous these things are, they aren't going anywhere. The new generations discriminate probably as much if not more than the older ones, they just pick different characteristics.

There are biological bases for many things that worked for us in the past.

That doesn't make them ethical now.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Good to know, thanks for clearing that up.

Making up fake quotes now? you are better than that cmon.

[SnakeBoy]

Don't discourage him TSA. I'm enjoying watching RG...

[Winehole23]

It's unimportant which is bigger. It's an individual concern that's being measured as a group concern. In reality there are no group concerns.

pardon me, are you white and male? you might not be as susceptible to the disadvantages of group membership.

[Winehole23]

cause if you think white supremacy is dead in Texas, you ain't paying attention.

[Winehole23]

fifty years of civil rights laws didn't change many hearts, but they do fear the law

[DMC]

pardon me, are you white and male? you might not be as susceptible to the disadvantages of group membership.

I am Native American.

[DMC]

There are biological bases for many things that worked for us in the past.

That doesn't make them ethical now.

So it goes from a requirement to be biological to an ethics issue.

[Winehole23]

the law is what it took for Texans to start to pretend to treat (disagreeable, unattractive according to you) like ordinary human beings. there's a big backlash against that now.

are you part of it, DMC?

[Winehole23]

I am Native American.

yeah, well so am I

[DMC]

Yes. We don't give infants and young children a large amount of freedom until we make up some arbitrary but workable ages where they can participate fully in society. This has biological basis in their mental capacity.

I would argue that darker skin as a genetic marker for lack of intelligence and laziness is a very dangerous idea. Much more dangerous than the aforementioned. And there are many notions that humans have And or gain through cultural practices that do not help the society survive, in fact they do exactly the opposite. Not every biological trait or biological trait that lead to certain behavior is an automatic natural selective advantage ( survival) just because we are here now with those traits and practicing those behaviors.

The above is a key misunderstanding of natural selection. If that's where you are going. So yes I do believe the ideas behind a discriminating personality can change its processing.

You're free to argue whatever you feel is the most ethical stance. It doesn't change the biological fact one iota. It also matters not if the biological traits are advantageous. They are biological. You can no sooner do away with them then you can do away with fear of the dark.

[Winehole23]

what biological fact, profe?

[Winehole23]

I am Native American.

has that been disadvantageous to you in some way?

[DMC]

what biological fact, profe?

We discriminate naturally. We only overcome it by learning, but it's temporary and in essence we learn to hide it, not to rid ourselves of it. That's been shown time and again.

[Winehole23]

no one's immune, including you.

you never answered my question, profe.

are you white and male in addition to being a Native American or were you just being an asshole?

[DMC]

has that been disadvantageous to you in some way?

Possibly. It doesn't matter. Do you think stereotypes and discrimination, even internal, will go away because of how it has affected me? Do you think it would cause me to not have internal discrimination triggers?

[Winehole23]

ducks the question again.

I have no idea what you think, why don't you stop clearing your throat and tell us what's on your mind?

[DMC]

no one's immune, including you.

you never answered my question, profe.

are you white and male in addition to being a Native American or were you just being an asshole?

Immune to what exactly?

I answered your question. You just didn't like the answer.