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You brought up 19 mpg alongside the price tag... you want me to quote you?
What I listed are things Pop has mentioned. You need me to quote Pop on that?
Didn't think TP would score 20 again, tbh.
You brought up 19 mpg alongside the price tag... you want me to quote you?
What I listed are things Pop has mentioned. You need me to quote Pop on that?
Why? I've been saying playing Manu back to back is a bad idea. I feel validated, tbh
I know that, but you listed them as a counterpoint in your defense of Manu as "worth".
If only Simmons no was consistent...
No, I listed them as what the Spurs consider "worth" for Manu... I also said you and I are not the Spurs and are free to have a different barometer...
I don't think he's worth 14M even playing 15 mpg, but I'm also aware I'm not the Spurs and I don't look for the same values.
Hayward is not a great example. He's going to get the max again, and no one is going to bat an eye. Dude's definitely worth his contract sucky core piece or no.
You think? He's peaking out as a 6th man...
I think he is getting more and more consistent. He ain't there yet, but he is improving steadily.
We don't know who else was on the Spurs' radar or whether they had an under-the-table deal with Manu. I doubt the Spurs are thinking about his salary at this point.
Tony Parker was the n man tonite!!!
Dude's averaging 20/7/4. That's better than what LMA is doing right now. More than worth the $16 Million or whatever he's getting.
We've see Chip do a lot to help shooting strokes. I like the chances of that happening a lot better than trying to make an NBA PG out of a guy who isn't equipped to do it.
Doesn't he have a "star" role on his team though? LMA was doing better than that in Portland too (even with Lillard around).
I mean, on a contender, I don't think he's better than a sixth man...
Hayward is one of the level B players in the league, this worth the max today, no question
No one, even me, cares what Manu is making at this point. It was just comments about even thinking of implying he's worth his deal.
That needs to be squashed. Especially for someone that still needs "rest" after playing only 19MPG. Again, if he was only slated for a 15MPG role if the "others played better" then we better never hear anyone saying Manu is worth his deal.
Im happy he's back, I don't care what he makes. But with all the TP hate on this site, no one should be saying anything about manu.
Well, that's very possible. But teams don't get their salary caps based on contender status. He's very much Utah's best player and deserves the biggest contract. He's not like Derrick Favors and completely overrated.
His college career is pretty similar to Reggie Jackson's who had an atrocious rookie season after actually staying in college for 3 years. It's too early to say what's he's going to end up being, guards drafted on potential usually have horrific rookie seasons i.e. Mudiay.
I won't argue with that.
You could be right. His handles and court vision don't make me think "Point Guard!" If he becomes a rich man's Jonathon Simmons, I will be pleasantly surprised.
Wizards are a bad team, overall, but their bench unit is especially poor..they rank worst in the NBA in most metrics, so it wasn't surprising to see them get destroyed by Mills/Simmons/Lee, tbh..
All we do is win, and all we do is win...
Look, my ideal situation coming into the season was that Manu was going to mentor Simms and Kyle, play a reduced (15MPG or less, no back to backs) role, and then the natural evolution of those players into serviceable bench players would make Manu largely irrelevant. Was that worth $14m? I don't think it was. But as Chinook said, Manu has played for way less than that in the past, so it's possible they had some sort of wink-wink thing going, we'll never know. We do know about the Philly thing, but we also don't know how much that influenced the final price tag.
Ultimately, he was signed with capspace anyways, so that's Holt's money and it doesn't extend past this season, so it doesn't really matters, IMO.
What's more worrying to me is that neither Simms or Kyle have so far been consistent enough to make Manu truly irrelevant. It's concerning because it means the bench needs to keep on relying on him at somewhat a large degree, and under that scenario, that's why keeping him fresh and healthy matters. That's where I felt that playing back to backs was a bad idea right now.
If Simms can play like this game or the Dubs game every night, then Manu getting rest or not doesn't matter, as he wouldn't be playing much anyways.
If Murray could replicate Jackson's career, that certainly would beat my expectations at this point. One thing is certain, Dijon would be a PG in the Tony mold - not a pass-first PG. Tony was once a blur, too, so maybe he is a good role model (if not mentor) for Dijon.
I agree ^ I just dont want to hear TP hate when Manu is in the same boat.
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