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I would rather trade the diva that comes into camp out of shape two seasons in a row and has never made it past the 2nd round of the playoffs than a proven playoff performer who always plays hard. Hopefully Spurs see it that way too.
It's only awful if you don't think about the potential return Green would net, especially in a package.
I would rather trade the diva that comes into camp out of shape two seasons in a row and has never made it past the 2nd round of the playoffs than a proven playoff performer who always plays hard. Hopefully Spurs see it that way too.
Why not look at all three?
Porker Pau and Manu extorting 44 million a year.
Who could have been acquired for that?
They aren't winning without Green either, so they might as well keep one of their core players that will still be playing at a high level in a few years when the team finally gets rid of the dead weight in Porker/Manu/Pop.
Of course it's an awful idea. He's one of the most "Spur" Spurs. I think he'd be just fine Haslaming it for the rest of his career if the Spurs' window closes. The Spurs need to make whatever trade they can that gets them someone to close with a Green/Leonard/LMA core. Then they can fill that final big spot with Lee, Dedmon or Bertans.
Pop has always placed a lot of value on young players who improve year-on-year. He's talked about it in any number of interviews. Danny hasn't improved in at least the last two seasons. At this point, I think we can pretty much get used to the idea that he can't drive and score. If the Spurs see the writing on the wall for this season, Harlem is right about the value of trading Danny while his stock is high.
If you talk to other fans, it's not that high. The latest RealGM Green trade was Danny, Patty and an lightly protected first for Dragic. And Miami fans thought it wasn't enough.
Green won't bring back a return equal to his worth tbh; his contract is too small, not to mention he'd only interest playoff teams/potential playoff teams that wouldn't be willing to send back one of their role players with value.
Simmons running the offense:...he makes Lance Stephenson seems like Magic Johnson.
I don't think they need Danny/Patty when they have Richardson/Johnson.
Maybe Deron Williams could get bought out & Spurs/Rockets could have first dibs to pick him up (if he clears waivers) since he most likely wants to stay close to his hometown (Dallas) ala LMA.
Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 11-29-2016 at 11:57 PM.
There's no quick fix here, tbh... if you're gonna put it on one guy, it gotta be Pop... this team goes from largely amazing on the road to lethargic at home. It's not about calling people soft, it's about doing something about it.
You can have bad shooting nights. Tonight was one of those nights. But there's no excuse to coast at home, and most of the loses had a big dose of that.
Agreed
Danny frustrates me because he's had 5 seasons now to add some semblance of a dribble-drive or inbetween game to his arsenal, but he's still over-reliant on being the same system spot up shooter as he was in 2013.
Even J.J. Re developed a midrange in between game. Last season, he took 34% of his shots from between 16 feet and 3 point range, and shot .473 from there. J.J. took 52% of his shots from 2 point range in total.
D-League took 38% of his shots from 2 point range in total and he shot below 40% from every 2 point distance except from 0-3 feet. , Re even shoots a higher percentage from 0-3 feet than D-League.
Someone will say because Re plays alongside Chris Paul, but that's yet another excuse. It's never on Danny. It's always some excuse. "LMA is affecting his shot." "He's just limited. A role player. What do you expect?" "Parker this, Parker that."
Every time he catches the ball at the arc, he gets closed out on, and has an ocean of mid-range space to hit a pull up jumper. Again, Re does this at a great clip, but yet D-League is somehow incapable of adding it to his game. Kawhi added it to his game by his 2nd second season, and he was a terrible shooter coming out of college.
I don't buy it.
But yeah, he plays defense and hit a bunch of 3s against the Heat for 2 games.
lol at trading Green before two soft pussies bigs with zero equity in the team and a washed up 34yo PG..
Honestly, I would look to move Mills before the trade deadline with his impending FA in this market....
Simmons running the offense:
You and Dabom. Both of you make up, and then argue about it. Running the offense? I said he's trying to be less of a ball hog, and you read "running the offense"?
Come to think of it, you and Dabom both use those limp- emotes all the time. Coincidence?
ing amen. And players will eventually tune him out if he keeps trying that line of talk. The dude doesn't seem to make any changes to the offense during the game. The first ATO in-bounds play was to get Kawhi a 16-foot turn-around. I don't know if he ever called plays to get guys threes.
Miami's FO hasn't been making the best decisions lately, though so maybe we can replace Patty for Anderson...nah, never mind. Money doesn't work.
I'm guessing you did a lot of research of "other fans" for that? Getting your opinions from the same people who were SURE that Hillary was going to win in a landslide, until about 10:00 on election night.
"So, as you can see, Danny's value is really quite limited at present."
I don't advocate trading him. We're priced in. And if he gets hot, this team is a different animal, so it's worth rolling the dice.
I just find it funny that he's beyond criticism. He'll do his 5 straight games with 2-6 points on 40% shooting thing, and the blame will somehow fall on LMA or Parker's shoulders.
Yeah, it's kind of a problem when our starting SG isn't a consistent double-digit scorer in the modern league.
I just don't think you'd anything great for him. I think had MKE known what was going to happen to Middleton, they would have given up 10 for Green during the draft. Maybe Chicago would have done something similar with 14. Or SAC with eight. None of the guys they actually picked at those spots would be good enough now, especially since the Spurs wouldn't be able to use that cap space. Plus those teams don't have the same optimism they had during the summer.
Sixers fans have suggested that Green could be the main piece in an Okafor package, but unless it's like Okafor, Covington and Korkmaz for Green, Mills and some other incentive, I don't think it has legs.
If the alternative is just sitting there hoping for the best...
We needed an additional playmaker in the SL. Kawhi and Parker are just average playmakers, and LMA and Green are non-existent playmakers.
I don't know what to tell you. I see what you see.
One of Pau or LMA will need to be traded to get an asset.
I can't see Pop making such a drastic move. It is only the 4th loss of the season after all.
But I am not discounting your point at all Mid. It's just probably what is going on in Pop's head.
Beyond criticism? He gets on here plenty. However, he isn't the one being paid $16mil or $14mil while being a net negative player. Green can't be the best guard on a championship-calibre team, but every championship team needs a player of similar ilk.
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