Loyalty contracts...

[SAGirl]

Better enjoy the respective retirement tours. We don't know how many seasons they will last either... on said tours.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Imagine the money that we could've put on a playmaker for that 16 million, and then with Lee and Dedmon playing this well plus Bertans emergence. Oh well, hindsight is 20/20 but that Gasol deal is going to us. Mainstream fans being happy with that

Ish Smith.
Jeremy Lin.
Matthew Dellavedova.
Rajon Rondo.

^ Best PGs that moved in the summer. Which one of these would you take over Pau?

[apalisoc_9]

Ish Smith.
Jeremy Lin.
Matthew Dellavedova.
Rajon Rondo.

^ Best PGs that moved in the summer. Which one of these would you take over Pau?

The Spurs could have signed Lin and signed speigths dirt cheap. For some reason speights is still contributing in a limited rile with LA. Or they could signed Aldrich...

Either combination gets you around the same money...


But I suupose you cant assume PATFO didnt try and they did the next big thing. I just hate the player option for year two. Also Hate Dedmon player option at year two...

[Spurtacular]

OP is on a loyalty contract, tbh.

[Dre_7]

I love me some Manu and TP but timmy at least earned his last contracts with tremendous defensive value...

Tony and Manu earned their contracts by constantly taking less money through out their careers to help the Spurs win 4 Championships when they could have easily went elsewhere for more money.

[sasaint]

His value offensively is us having a 40% chance of scoring with a turnaround fadeaway

[apalisoc_9]

Tony and Manu earned their contracts by constantly taking less money through out their careers to help the Spurs win 4 Championships when they could have easily went elsewhere for more money.

BS narrative. Manu and Tony only took one paycut and it wasnt significant either. For the most part, they took the most money they can get specially in their big 3 days.

Silly narrative.h

[kaji157]

A total of 28 Million dollars of virtually non-existant production value both offfensively and defensively whilst they continued to be showered in praise by mainstream and casuals as "game changers"

I love me some Manu and TP but timmy at least earned his last contracts with tremendous defensive value...


So lets play a game...Assuming you had 28 million dollars to spend right now. Who in market are you going to pursue? Maybe three players or two?

While i agree loyalty contracts are not good, over the last 3 years Manu made a grand total of 24 millions, that´s 8 million a year, and that doesn`t bother me a lot for a loyalty contract. Parker is something different.

[kaji157]

BS narrative. Manu and Tony only took one paycut and it wasnt significant either. For the most part, they took the most money they can get specially in their big 3 days.

Silly narrative.h

I dare you to compare what they make with other players that had similar success and sustain the theory that "they did not take paycuts".

[sasaint]

I never knew that I can dislike this many spur in one season

Yeah. It really hurts - especially when you know that PATFO will do nothing to change that.

[apalisoc_9]

I dare you to compare what they make with other players that had similar success and sustain the theory that "they did not take paycuts".

Under Rules, CBA for their respective years etc..they took the most money they can get. You cant just assume because Leonard only makes 17 million compared to Barmes and Parsons getting 22 million he is also taking a paycut.

Thats stupid. You can only get a certain money depending on that year CBA and TV deals.

[Harry Callahan]

Most of these guys will be gone in 2018 - LMA could be useful, but we need to see a larger body of work from him. I'm on the fence.

[GSH]

Manu's heart, hustle, and BBIQ has always been second to none. Still are, IMO. But there has to be a point where a guy is physically not up to playing a sport that is geared to quickness and athleticism. PATFO obviously wanted to pay Manu for years spent coming off the bench, when he could have been starting anywhere else, for less money than he could have gotten other places. Since the money was obviously very important, they should have paid him a load of cash to be on the bench in a suit. He'll still have enough good moments and nights that defenders will be able to point to. He still knows how to come up big in big moments - his body just won't do it a lot of the time.

And all of that is okay - unless you are seriously thinking about winning another LOB this year. Because at that price tag, Manu is supposed to be one of the major players on the team. But there are just way too many young players in the league who can neutralize him now - and the playoff teams are loaded with them.

[Spurs9]

Todays NBA

[kaji157]

Under Rules, CBA for their respective years etc..they took the most money they can get. You cant just assume because Leonard only makes 17 million compared to Barmes and Parsons getting 22 million he is also taking a paycut.

Thats stupid. You can only get a certain money depending on that year CBA and TV deals.

You a lazy , i dare you to do something and you just continue ting about something without even researching.

Go and look up.

Manu made a grand total earnings of 108 millions in 15 NBA seasons. Compare that with other NBA players that had similar or less success.
As you can see on the list, most players of Manu´s caliber made at least 20-30 millions more, thats a 25% discount, you could say that Manu made the same as lesser players, such as Muchael Redd and Jason Terry and a lot less than even lesser players such as Joe Johnson and Michael Finley, and that the only player of his generation with comparable level and Salary was Richard Hamilton (who in truth had just 5 great years). And that a very comparable player to Manu´s level (Iggy) has already made more than Manu and will clearly earn at least 20 more millions.

On Tony´s case, he made 133, but he has assured himself 148 millions. You could have a point that he didn´t take such a paycut as he made almost the same as Chris Paul and Steve Nash both better than him, the same as Gilbert Arenas, Baron Davis and Stephon Marbury (worse) and less than Jason Kidd (who is also better than Tony for his career).

In conclusion, you could say we are both right or half right, Manu did take a 20-30% paycut, which i think is a lot on NBA money (30 millions or so) and that Tony was slightly overpaid for his career.

Shooting Guard
Ray allen 180
T-Mac 162
Vince Carter 152
BrandonRoy 82 (7 seasons on track to 160)
Michael Redd 102 (11 seasons)
Jason Richardson 105 (12 seasons)
Richard Hamilton 109
Joe Johnson 182
Jason Terry 103
Michael Finley 132
Andre Iguodala 110 (12 seasons)

Pg´s
Stephon Marbury 155
Deron Williams 126
Andre Miller 98
Chauncey Billups 106
Jason Kidd 187
Baron Davis 147
Gilbert Arenas 140
Chris Paul 137

[bklynspursfan]

Eh, it's not always about winning, tbh..sometimes you have to take care of the family, even if it hurts you..

Yup. The loyalty & sacrifice has always been mutual from both sides too.

If there's going to be a separation, that'll have to be a mutual decision as well.

I just think it's funny people say trade Parker or trade Manu like that's something that's going to happen.

[apalisoc_9]

You a lazy , i dare you to do something and you just continue ting about something without even researching.

Go and look up.

Manu made a grand total earnings of 108 millions in 15 NBA seasons. Compare that with other NBA players that had similar or less success.
As you can see on the list, most players of Manu´s caliber made at least 20-30 millions more, thats a 25% discount, you could say that Manu made the same as lesser players, such as Muchael Redd and Jason Terry and a lot less than even lesser players such as Joe Johnson and Michael Finley, and that the only player of his generation with comparable level and Salary was Richard Hamilton (who in truth had just 5 great years). And that a very comparable player to Manu´s level (Iggy) has already made more than Manu and will clearly earn at least 20 more millions.

On Tony´s case, he made 133, but he has assured himself 148 millions. You could have a point that he didn´t take such a paycut as he made almost the same as Chris Paul and Steve Nash both better than him, the same as Gilbert Arenas, Baron Davis and Stephon Marbury (worse) and less than Jason Kidd (who is also better than Tony for his career).

In conclusion, you could say we are both right or half right, Manu did take a 20-30% paycut, which i think is a lot on NBA money (30 millions or so) and that Tony was slightly overpaid for his career.

Shooting Guard
Ray allen 180
T-Mac 162
Vince Carter 152
BrandonRoy 82 (7 seasons on track to 160)
Michael Redd 102 (11 seasons)
Jason Richardson 105 (12 seasons)
Richard Hamilton 109
Joe Johnson 182
Jason Terry 103
Michael Finley 132
Andre Iguodala 110 (12 seasons)

Pg´s
Stephon Marbury 155
Deron Williams 126
Andre Miller 98
Chauncey Billups 106
Jason Kidd 187
Baron Davis 147
Gilbert Arenas 140
Chris Paul 137

Imbecile with zero understanding of how markets work. Did you get you get your education at a third world country or something?

I already showed you a comparative example to give you the idea so all you have to do is figure it out youself.

Again, let me give it to you again and hopefully you're not dumb enough or Lazy enough to get it.

Kawhi Leonard is going to make 94 Million Dollars in the next four years. Mike Conley is going to get 150 Million.

Does that mean Leonard took a paycut.

Lets see if you're smart enough.to figure it out.

[Canyonero]

20 mill to Aldridge
16 mill to gasol

This tbh

[kaji157]

Imbecile with zero understanding of how markets work. Did you get you get your education at a third world country or something?

I already showed you a comparative example to give you the idea so all you have to do is figure it out youself.

Again, let me give it to you again and hopefully you're not dumb enough or Lazy enough to get it.

Kawhi Leonard is going to make 94 Million Dollars in the next four years. Mike Conley is going to get 150 Million.

Does that mean Leonard took a paycut.

Lets see if you're smart enough.to figure it out.

You are just a little little boy. The market did allow Ginobili to make more money, as he clearly did THIS year. Manu could have that a ude his whole career and make close to 130-140 millions.
Chek the facts.

Idiotic little boy, go jack off with your uncle, mother and sister.

[kaji157]

Imbecile with zero understanding of how markets work. Did you get you get your education at a third world country or something?

I already showed you a comparative example to give you the idea so all you have to do is figure it out youself.

Again, let me give it to you again and hopefully you're not dumb enough or Lazy enough to get it.

Kawhi Leonard is going to make 94 Million Dollars in the next four years. Mike Conley is going to get 150 Million.

Does that mean Leonard took a paycut.

Lets see if you're smart enough.to figure it out.

And you explained nothing as you have zero education.
Please show me where you did explain your first world theory because it´s not here.
In truth you are just a silly litle man that is not very intelligent and just lives to make up to the fact that you were the first idiot here to call for a Kawhi trade, for.... lol... trevor ariza.

How stupid is that?

[HarlemHeat37]

Unfortunately, while I don't mind the loyalty contracts and understand why they were given(as I said earlier), they are arguably the most damaging aspects to the Spurs' offense..

Players playing >19 MPG with a >19% usage rate and a TS% at 50% or under:




That's a huge portion of the offense, tbh..

[apalisoc_9]

And you explained nothing as you have zero education.
Please show me where you did explain your first world theory because it´s not here.
In truth you are just a silly litle man that is not very intelligent and just lives to make up to the fact that you were the first idiot here to call for a Kawhi trade, for.... lol... trevor ariza.

How stupid is that?

So is Kawhi taking a paycut or not? Answer the question you argentine imbecile..

[Dre_7]

Unfortunately, while I don't mind the loyalty contracts and understand why they were given(as I said earlier), they are arguably the most damaging aspects to the Spurs' offense..

Players playing >19 MPG with a >19% usage rate and a TS% at 50% or under:




That's a huge portion of the offense, tbh..

I agree, but I say the trade off is worth it. If you would been told me in 2002 that I would get to see the Spurs core win 4 more rings because they choose to stay with the Spurs for less money, but the trade off would be that they would be paid more than they are worth for the last few years of their career I would have taken it in a heart beat.

However, I agree that it is the most damaging aspect to the Spurs' offense. That is the catch-22. Hopefully younger guys like Simmons, and Bertans continue to develop while Gasol continues to get more comfortable. Not a huge fan of Gasol's defense, but I love what he brings offensively.

[Chinook]

You a lazy , i dare you to do something and you just continue ting about something without even researching.

In conclusion, you could say we are both right or half right, Manu did take a 20-30% paycut, which i think is a lot on NBA money (30 millions or so) and that Tony was slightly overpaid for his career.

Almost none of that matters. You can certainly argue that Manu was underpaid in his career. It's a lot harder to argue that he took pay-cuts. He signed a six-year deal after his rookie contract was up. He followed that up with a max extension, then took a market-level deal, then he took a big discount, then he took a huge overpay.

It's not too dissimilar from Steph Curry's contracts so far. He is MASSIVELY underpaid right now, but he didn't take less. He signed a deal that made sense at the time and just massively out-performed it. Just like with Manu, Curry isn't going to give the Warriors a discount this time around.

Manu's earnings have more to do with timing than anything else.

[Cry Havoc]

2013 Turnobili says hi as he cashes his $14,000,000 check

That didn't affect our cap. Nice try.

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/...a-ton-of-money

>Ginobili will be slightly overpaid next season, but who cares, it was a 1-year deal and they used his "Bird" rights to go over the cap to re-sign him. They could've given him a 1-year max and it wouldn't make a tangible difference.