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interesting to read but so not going to happen.
#1) Swap Softridge for Millsap (**Softridge has worn out his welcome**)
#2) Three team trade to acquire Dragic:
-Spurs ship out Pau (Boston**gives them a post-up threat**), Kyle/Murray (Heat**Recoup the two 1st rd picks they traded for Dragic**)
-Celtics send Smart/Amir Johnson to the Heat
-Heat send Dragic/McRobert (**Poison Pill**) to the Spurs & Waiters (can replace Smart along w/ Rozier) to the Celtics
#3) Trade Patty for a backup Center
-Patty to the Sixers (**Can be re-signed to mentor & play alongside his country man: Simmons**)
-Len (didn't get rookie extension) to the Spurs
-Sixers send two 2nd rd picks to the Suns (**have enough young guys to draft & stash prospects**)
So,
Dedmon/Len
Millsap/Lee/Bertans/McBob(**Lee's insurance**)
Kawhi/Simmons
Danny/Manu/Forbes
Dragic/Porker(**can run the offense when Pop wants to go deep in the playbook**)/Leprosy
One open spot: Garino
Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 12-10-2016 at 08:29 PM.
interesting to read but so not going to happen.
Milsap's older and his ceiling is less than LMA's.
Trade #3 wouldn't be necissary. Lee would probably be the backup 5 with Bertans at the four, Simmons at the 3 and Manu at the two. Not crazy about getting Dragic either.
I would rather the Spurs swap LMA for young talent and pick(s) and then play the year out and try to use cap space and nail draft picks to retool over a three year window with the hopes that the Spurs could be a legit contender when Kawhi is 28
They need to pivot to that direction fast..the past two summer are starting to eerily resemble 2009 (LMA/RJ) and 2010 (Mcdyess/Pau)..
LMA is inconsistent so his ceiling being higher is mirage especially when he's reaching the tail end of his prime. In a 7 game series, I rather have 7 average Millsap games instead of Softridge going off for two games then being MIA the rest of the series. The issue w/ Softridge is also he usually blows his load in a game the team would have won even if he had an average performance then turns into a ghost when you actually need him aka he's a front-runner. Millsap on the other hand is one of those guys that plays within the offense then steps it up when his teammates are struggling. (He usually has his highest scoring games in a loss similar past-prime Timmay)
As much as I advocated for Lee even before he was signed, he should NEVER have to play the 5 unless it's against a team that NEVER drives & just jacks up jumpers.Trade #3 wouldn't be necissary. Lee would probably be the backup 5
The Pau signing indicates otherwise which is why the proposed trades were for "Win-Now" type players.I would rather the Spurs swap LMA for young talent and pick(s) and then play the year out and try to use cap space and nail draft picks to retool over a three year window with the hopes that the Spurs could be a legit contender when Kawhi is 28
Spurs-Milsap
Hawks-Amir Johnson, Kyle Anderson
Kings-LMA
Celtics- Cousins
The spurs need multiple players. If they get Millsap from Atlanta..they need to ship Kyle too and maybe get aldridge to Boston...
Anyway we can end up with Smart/Millsap?
Smart would be an amazing third PG...a great option to have if Kawhi is having one of his 30 points game, and porker is being porker.
If/when they trade Aldridge, it will more than likely be in the off season and it will be, in part, an admission that they're no longer contenders and are kicking the can down the road.
Suffice it to say, a going on 32 year old Millsap, who's going to get a massive contract and a going on 31 year old Dragic, doesn't fit with that.
Smart's value is in his ability guard all three perimeter positions. Offensively, he doesn't really excel at anything and he can't shoot. He'd be a terrible fit next to Leonard.
Smart can't shoot & is a take-it-then-give-it-away type player (ala Tony Allen) who will drive Pop crazy. Besides, there is no way the Celtics are giving up Smart for Kyle in' Anderson.
Again, I made the proposal under the assumption PATFO are STILL in win-now mode (ala when they made the /Jack swap) otherwise it would make more sense to move Softridge at the draft lottery ala George Hill.
Even if Pau/Softridge were a net-positive, I don't see how PATFO thought they could contend w/ the Duds/Cavs considering the ty backcourt. Signing Pau/Lee is anything but a win-now move even if it's just to be a second tier contender like the Cripples.
Yeah, I know. All I'm saying is, I don't see them going down that road.
The team you proposed, while more balanced, would also have zero chance at a championship. They'd just be rearranging the deck chairs on the anic, delaying the inevitable and making it less likely to build a legit contender around Leonard while he's in his prime.
If theres a trade involving LMA and Cousins that doesnt result in us getting Cousins im gonna be pissed.
If that were the case, I would be fine with the Spurs straight up flipping LMA for picks to the Suns (currently have the 7th worst record in the league) for their first and second round (37th) picks and/or see if they could get PHX to throw in Tyler Ulis , whom the Spurs were reportedly interested in drafting (apparently a pretty good defender in spite of being super short also a good shooter and a very good play maker from what I've heard).
Spurs would be able use cap space (possibly to resign Dedmon), resign Mills, Simmons, add a lottery pick and another first rounder (probably not the player that they take in the late 20's but possibly bring over Milutinov) and add a young 3rd PG with upside.
Parker-Mills-Ulis
Green-Simmons
Leonard-Anderson
Gasol-Bertans
Dedmon-Lee-Milutinov
*plus lottery pick
Smart? Are you a straight up daft moron?
sure, why not? After that we should try trade parker for curry
You could rearrange the deck to give the team an iden y besides just being a one dimensional isolation team that lives & dies on mid-range jumpers.
Dedmon/Millsap/Kawhi/Danny would be an excellent versatile defensive foursome that could match-up w/ anyone & Millsap/Dragic would give you 35+ points in a variety of ways unlike Pau/LMA who have overlapping skill-sets. Millsap/Dragic would also help the ball-movement as they are MUCH better playmakers & don't depend on predictable post-ups that often times stagnate the offense.
The team would also be able to play uptempo which should get Danny more transition 3s & also allow Kawhi to get easy baskets. They would essentially be a more rugged version of the '14-'15 Hawks as instead of Horford/Carroll you have Dedmon/Kawhi & Danny is a better defender than Korver. The biggest flaw w/ the Hawks was their lack of size & top 10 player but Dedmon/Len would defensively be comparable to Tristan/Mozgov & Kawhi is a top 5 player.
All in all, considering how much of a defensively liability Pau/Tony/Patty are in a playoff series even if their shots are falling & Softridge being a one dimension ball stopping chucker who's average when his fadeaway isn't falling then I don't see why swapping them w/ Millsap/Dragic wouldn't move the needle to at least overcome the Cripples. Just looking at how Gaymond shutdown Blake, Millsap can do much better than Softridge & 40yr old Choke-P would also have to play defense against Dragic instead of resting on defense. Millsap is also a better match on defense against the Cavs/Duds since Pop's strategy has been switching against those teams.
If things don't work out then Millsap opting-out (99.9% chance of it happening no matter what) would actually be a blessing in disguise since that would give PATFO a chance to go after the top free-agent of the summer: Blake.
Suns picked up both his third and fourth year rookie options. The most likely scenario is that they will tender the required QO next summer and make him a restricted free agent. There's no reason to believe that they'll dump him for a couple of second round picks.
In reality the team would be fine if they had just one elite guard. Everything else that doesn't include doing something about the PG spot is a waste of an effort.
I meant to say they didn't give him a rookie extension which they doubled down on by drafting Bender.
If you look at the Kanter/Reggie Jackson trade, the Pistons only gave up
Len isn't as good as Kanter & nobody is asking the Suns to take on a ty contract so two 2nd rd picks from Philly (should be early 30s) is really not any less valuable than the a late 20s first rd pick, actually you get two shots to find a diamond in the rough. Besides, it also not just a matter or whether the Suns want Len back b/c Kanter essentially forced his way out of Utah & Reggie Jackson turned down a contract extension so their (Jazz/OKC) hands were tied.
I like the young asset route too if they decide to make a move.
Trade LMA and parts to Boston for the Nets 2017 1st round pick + Jaylen Brown + Amir Johnson.
Roll with Gasol and Dedmon to start. If Sacto starts making moves, try to poach WCS as a reclamation project as the dust settles.
Pretty much this. Won't ever stop the foolish posts of people trying to move Kyle or LMA though.
Assuming the salaries match, Would the Bucks accept to give up Jabbari Parker for Tony Parker, Pau Gasol and Lamarcus Aldrdige?
Mills, Green, Kawhi, Jabbari, Dedmon.
That would be a nice lineup.
I stopped reading at Porker........
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