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That's why the 3-5 porker stans try to flood the comments.
Prime Parker was great, Prime Manu was a Force of Nature. Ask Phoenix. Ask George Karl. Ask Detroit. Ask his hair, that he used to have.
That's why the 3-5 porker stans try to flood the comments.
Prime Manu, when called upon, was like a tsunami going against little, green toy soldiers.
Putting a Parker vs Ginobili poll in an Argentine ran website and expecting it to be close, is like you and your Chinese country men trying to say the letter L. It ain't going to happen.
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Anti-Porker threads get deleted all the time, but Manu was allowed to be bashed nonstop for a solid year after 6 with no retailation from the mods.
But yeah, there's a vast conspiracy to keep the Porker stans down. Get real.
So in the SL we now have two capable wing defenders(Kawhi/Danny) instead of one with Bruce. So with a non TOSB Parker I think our wing defense would suffice. I do admit Manu has always been the better defender, due to size, reflexes, and instincts. However, Prime Manu isn't so great on defense that it makes up for the other reasons I went with Parker(see ^ my El Nono quote]. Plus, whether we have Parker or Manu, Pau and Aldridge can't anchor the defense like Tim, which is the biggest issue.
Manu was one of the craftiest, and entertaining slashers of the 2000s, I wouldn't deny that.
If you put Prime Manu in the SL at PG, you move TOSB Porky to the bench. I just don't feel that works as well as having Prime Parker, and keeping the cohesion of the current bench.
I'll concede that if I said Manu couldn't be a capable starter, or PG, I went too far. He's always been a more gifted passer, and had better court vision than Parker. Prime Parker wasn't as bad a distributor as advertised, though.
This is obviously a Manu vs Parker bait thread, but I think both were great...both had their flaws. I just think Parker fits better schematically.
This isn't the '13-'14 Spurs, tbh... this is a top heavy team that will go as far as the starting unit takes them...
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"but Only for this year, who would you pick?"
It doesn't matter who had the longer prime(Parker fwiw)
2009 Parker would turn our starting line up into world beaters, while even with TOSB Manu, our bench is still pretty good with prime Patty leading the way. Easy le favorites.
Meanwhile if you put prime Manu on this team, he would just make our already good bench, better, but our starting lineup would still struggle with TOSB Porker, TOSB Pau, and Fatass LMA.
Putting prime manu in the starting line up wouldn't work, nevermind the chemistry issues. Imagine trotting out Patty and TOSB Parker off the bench
Harden being the undisputed best SG in the league is exactly why smart folks know that Manu in his prime would be the best SG in the league right now. Harden is a diluted version of Manu with the chance of statpadding, tbh.
Not to mention the SG position is very diluted right now... it's Harden, and maybe... DeRozan as standouts? Back then you had teams building around SGs, like Kobe with the Lakers, Ray Allen in Seattle, Wade in Miami... just tough compe ion all around in that position...
Prime Parker outplayed Lebron, Curry, Nash, CP3, Westbrook, etc in the playoffs. Prime Manu outplayed Joe Johnson and Rip Hamilton.
I'd easily take a prime Manu.
you arent taking into account role, defense, versatility..//-- Best assist per game seasons (*per 36*)
Parker:
2012 - 7.7(8.7) - 32 mpg;
2013 - 7.6(8.3) - 32 mpg;
2009 - 6.9(7.3) - 34 mpg;
Manu:
2011 - 4.9(5.8) - 30 mpg;
2010 - 4.9(6.2) - 29 mpg;
2013 - 4.6(7.1) - 23 mpg;
2014 - 4.3(6.8) - 23 mpg;
//-- Best Points Per Game seasons (*per 36*)
Parker:
2009 - 22(23.2) - 50% - 32 mpg;
2013 - 20.3(22.2) - 52% - 32 mpg;
2006 - 18.9(20.6) - 54% - 33.9 mpg;
Manu:
2008 - 19.5(22.6) - 46% - 31 mpg;
2011 - 17.4(20.7) - 43% - 30 mpg;
2010 - 16.5(20.7) - 44% - 28 mpg;
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That LeBron efficiency by Tony
LeBron career FG%: 49.8%
Tony career FG%: 49.4%
second best Spur ever
split as starter, career
manu 16.5 pts, 4.2 reb, 4.3 ast
tony 16.5 pts, 2.9 reb, 5.9 ast
split as reserve, career
manu 12.3 pts, 3.4 reb, 3.7 ast
tony 11.0 pts, 2.2 reb, 4.2 ast
career 3PAr, FTr, TS%, PER
manu .390 3PAr, .409 FTr, .585 TS, 20.8 PER
tony .101 3PAr, .291 FTr, .550 TS, 18.7 PER
career DWS, DBPM, Stl/36, Blk/36
manu 44.1 DWS, 1.3 DBPM, 1.9 Stl/36, 0.4 Blk/36
tony 42.7 DWS, -0.8 DBPM, 1.0 Stl/36, 0.1 Blk/36
and thats with manu's stats taking a plunge in old age. tony's will only go down from here on out.
lebron is in a different stratosphere than either, but since you want to compare him:
.204 3PAr, .422 FTr, .582 TS, 27.6 PER, 59.5 DWS, 1.9 DBPM
2004 per 36:He sure was unstoppable in 2004, and 2006..and 2009.. But choking aside, he was great as a situational closer.
manu 16.7 pts, 6.8 reb, 4.0 ast, 2.2 stl, .447 FG
tony 17.2 pts, 2.0 reb, 6.5 ast, 1.2 stl, .429 FG
2006 per 36
manu 20.2 pts, 5.0 reb, 3.32 ast, 1.6 stl, .484 FG
tony 19.9 pts, 3.6 reb, 3.8 ast, 1 stl, .460 FG
of course, 2009 manu didnt play because of injury, which shows how low you have to go. since you posted their best RS years, ill put their unanimous best playoff runs head to head, per 36 for the sake of consistency:
manu 2005 22.3 pts, 6.2 reb, 4.5 ast, 1.3 stl, .507 FG (8.6 FTA /36)
tony 2013 20.3 pts, 3.2 reb, 6.9 ast, 1.1 stl, .458 FG (5.3 FTA /36)
yeah that was my first thought, and even now its hard to imagine parker accepting coming off the bench.If you put Prime Manu in the SL at PG, you move TOSB Porky to the bench. I just don't feel that works as well as having Prime Parker, and keeping the cohesion of the current bench.
I picked Ginobili because it IS a subjective call, and all stats aside, I think Ginobili has the best court vision, passing ability and Bball IQ on the team. (especially since Duncan (bball IQ) and Boris Diaw(passing ability) are not on this year's team.
I happen to like both players, and I don't like being asked to choose. In terms of the importance of the role being played, it would likely be Parker, but in terms of who I would like to watch more, it would be Manu.
You could always count on tony to not show up when it counts...many 100%
And Jordan, Magic, Bird, Isiah, etc.
http://www.poundingtherock.com/2017/...ili-stands-out
It quantifies what we all could "see," despite the usage rate... Manu on the court made for a better oiled machine.
Old Ginobili now swatting Harden
Manu with 46 points against Lebron!
Case closed.
Hahahahaha!
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