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    Debt is social control. Their in too deep to complain about the jobs they'll get.
    True, but you can still get ahead of you keep your nose to the grindstone and live a good life...

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    Stopped the CIA rendition and torture of terror suspects....that alone is why he got the Nobel
    Doubtful. The Nobel was awarded before he did a goddamned thing.

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    True, but you can still get ahead of you keep your nose to the grindstone and live a good life...
    that's the myth. truth is only half of Americans at age thirty make more than their parents and the trend is downward.

    it ain't the 1950s anymore.

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    By not standing up against the wars in Libya and the growing war in Syria he has in a way condoned them....including the expansion of NATO into the Balkans..

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    Doubtful. The Nobel was awarded before he did a goddamned thing.
    Maybe, but the US lost its moral ground when Bush lawyers condoned torture..Obama fixed that...

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    that's the myth. truth is only half of Americans at age thirty make more than their parents and the trend is downward.

    it ain't the 1950s anymore.
    Well.. No one wants to work anymore.....what's gone is not the American dream but the 40 hour work week......

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    Bush lawyers condoned torture..Obama fixed that..
    no he didn't. what's happening in Gitmo is still torture.

    forced feeding? indefinite detention?

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    Too bad. We used to be better than that.
    That was 60 years ago, hole.

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    so you agree. we used to be better than that.

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    tell me, what did we gain by being as bad as everyone else?

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    no he didn't. what's happening in Gitmo is still torture.

    forced feeding? indefinite detention?
    In previous wars these "prisoners" would have earned a bullet in the head....

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    did our reputation and national prestige improve as a result?

    was there some measurable gain in public safety? or did it merely slake the popular cry for blood retaliation, even if the detained were in no way guilty?

    remember, most -- about 75% -- of the Gitmo detainees were released under GWB because we had no good cause to detain them in the first place.
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    In previous wars these "prisoners" would have earned a bullet in the head....
    Humanitarian Dan says shoot em in the head. Is that the American way?

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    Obama did the same thing for the Auto industry that Trump did for Carrier, only saved millions of taxpaying jobs, and got skewered for it...

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    Humanitarian Dan says shoot em in the head. Is that the American way?
    Im not saying it's right/wrong, just is...

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    did our reputation and national prestige improve as a result?

    was there some measurable gain in public safety?
    We gained nothing from torture...but lost any moral high ground we may have had...

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    Trump is like Reagan. Obama is like junk food. Eventually, it will catch up to you.

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    Even if you already had private health care, you still benefited from the ACA....kids are now covered on parents policies until they turn 26

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    Obama did the same thing for the Auto industry that Trump did for Carrier, only saved millions of taxpaying jobs, and got skewered for it...
    Yep. Crony capitalism is back in style. Maybe it never went out of style.

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    Trump is like Reagan. Obama is like junk food. Eventually, it will catch up to you.
    How trite. WTF does that even mean?

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    Trump is like Reagan. Obama is like junk food. Eventually, it will catch up to you.
    would Reagan have trusted Putin?

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    Yep. Crony capitalism is back in style. Maybe it never went out of style.
    I don't think its crony when you are saving a whole industry...

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    would Reagan have trusted Putin?
    Reagan would be more worried about China.

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    How trite. WTF does that even mean?
    It means Obama was a short fix. But it eventually will grow bad habits for the country. Laziness that will weaken us. Just like a bad diet.

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    Perhaps the most troubling is the Obama Administration took a back seat while the GOP dismantled Voting and Civil rights of minorities...

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