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    OT:::But all is breaking loose in the NC as the legislature tries to strip power from the incoming Democrat governor. Protesters have besieged the state house. I saw one sign that read:::"This is why we can't have nice things."


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    The world order we live in was born in 1979 or 1980, with Thatcher and Reagan. It made a few core promises:


    • If the rich have more money, they will create more jobs;
    • Lower taxes will lead to more prosperity;
    • Increases in housing and stock market prices will increase prosperity for everyone;
    • Trade deals and globalization will make everyone better off.

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    These core promises all turned out to be lies. It’s that simple. For most of the population, the last 40-odd years were either an experience of stagnation, or an experience of decline.
    Understand clearly, by 79 people had lost faith in the post-WWII order. They were willing to try something new.

    That order has now betrayed too many people, and it is falling. It will continue to fall. We are in the twilight of Neoliberalism (longer article on that later.)

    But this is why people are going for “fake news”. This is why people are willing to listen to demagogues. This is why people don’t trust the press (why should they, the press lied to them repeatedly, it is the original fake news). This is why they don’t listen when hundreds of economists say Brexit is bad (why should they, most economists missed the housing bubble.)

    Neoliberalism has discredited everyone who bought in to it. Who didn’t buy into it? Well, the hard left and what people are now calling the “alt-right”.

    So people are turning in those directions, though more to the right. Because people are ideologically and iden y driven, and most are not intellectuals, what they look for are signifiers that someone is not like the people who screwed them, who lied to them for 40 years.

    Trump does not talk like those people. Farrage does not talk like those people. On the left, Corbyn does not talk like those people and to a large extent, neither did Sanders.

    And so they are turning to people who don’t parse like the regular type of elite. Many of those people are also selling them a bill of goods (Trump, to a large extent), or are nasty pieces of work (Trump, Alt-Right), but that doesn’t matter to a lot of people: they can’t take the pain any more; the assured long decline and they will take a flyer on anyone who might shake things up.
    http://www.ianwelsh.net/the-lies-at-...r-dying-order/

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    Lie repeatedly, fail to keep your promises, and things like Trump and Brexit will happen. It is that simple.

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    “The existence of an independent, powerful, widely respected news media establishment is an historical anomaly,” Georgetown Professor Jonathan Ladd wrote in his 2011 book, Why Americans Hate the Media and How it Matters. “Prior to the twentieth century, such an ins ution had never existed in American history.” Fake news is but one symptom of that shift back to historical norms, and recent hyperventilating mimics reactions from eras past.
    http://www.cjr.org/special_report/fake_news_history.php

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    fact-checking perhaps the most untruthful candidate of our lifetime didn’t work; the more news outlets did it, the less the facts resonated

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    Every time I hear about fake news I think Connie Chung.

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    It's eerie how the MSM and the gov all started pushing the "fake news" meme at the same time, it's all been coordinated.

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    It's eerie how the MSM and the gov all started pushing the "fake news" meme at the same time, it's all been coordinated.
    The only weird thing about it is that it took so long. The election of an actual buffoon, in large part because of fake news, is what amplified the topic.

    Strangely, though, only one side seems to be concerned that this is suddenly a topic of conversation. Wonder why.

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    The only weird thing about it is that it took so long. The election of an actual buffoon, in large part because of fake news, is what amplified the topic.

    Strangely, though, only one side seems to be concerned that this is suddenly a topic of conversation. Wonder why.
    What fake news was responsible for electing Trump? Be specific. Back up your claim.

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    The only weird thing about it is that it took so long. The election of an actual buffoon, in large part because of fake news, is what amplified the topic.

    Strangely, though, only one side seems to be concerned that this is suddenly a topic of conversation. Wonder why.
    Strange how Dems don't care about the truth bombs in those Wikileaks. Wonder why.
    Besides, my problem is how they all use the "fake news" buzzword like robots. This is some Orwellian .

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    What fake news was responsible for electing Trump? Be specific. Back up your claim.
    The top 20 fake news stories from August through Election Day generated more engagements (and therefore likely more impressions) via Facebook than the top 20 real news stories in the same date range.

    Story Publication FB Engagements
    Pope Francis Shocks World, Endorses Donald Trump for President, Releases Statement Ending the Fed 960,000
    WikiLeaks CONFIRMS Hillary Sold Weapons to ISIS... Then Drops Another BOMBS ! Breaking News The Political Insider 789,000
    IT’S OVER: Hillary’s ISIS Email Just Leaked & It’s Worse Than Anyone Could Have Imagined Ending The Fed 754,000
    Just Read the Law: Hillary is Disqualified from Holding Any Federal Office Ending The Fed 701,000
    FBI Agent Suspected in Hillary Email Leaks Found Dead in Apparent Murder-Suicide Denver Guardian 567,000
    FBI director received millions from Clinton Foundation, his brother’s law firm does Clinton’s taxes Ending The Fed 538,000
    ISIS Leader Calls for American Muslim Voters to Support Hillary Clinton World News Daily Report 522,000
    Hillary Clinton In 2013: “I Would Like To See People Like Donald Trump Run For Office; They’re Honest And Can’t Be Bought” Conservative State 481,000
    BREAKING: Fraudulent Clinton Votes Discovered By The “Tens Of Thousands” Ending The Fed 462,000
    President Obama Confirms He Will Refuse To Leave Office If Trump Is Elected Burrard Street Journal 379,000
    Donald Trump Protester Speaks Out: "I Was Paid $3,500 To Protest Trump's Rally" - ABC News abcnews.com.co 376,000
    Pentagon Officials Furious After Clinton Announces US Response Time for Nuclear Launch During Debate Liberty News 338,000
    Hillary’s Email Case Got Reopened And James Comey Asked For Immunity. Trey Gowdy Says No. Yes I'm Right 295,000
    Hey Hillary, thanks for telling the world America’s response time for a nuclear launch Twitchy 290,000
    Rupaul claims Trump touched him inappropriately in the 1990s World News Daily Report 285,000
    Billy Graham Issues STUNNING Statement on Donald Trump…No One Expected THIS! - World Politicus World Politic US 260,000
    Pence: “Mic e Obama Is The Most Vulgar First Lady We’ve Ever Had” USA Newsflash 246,000
    Clinton Cash: Khizr Khan’s Deep Legal, Financial Connections to Saudi Arabia, Hillary’s Clinton Foundation Tie Terror, Immigration, Email Scandals Together Breitbart 167,000
    Thousands Of Fake Ballot Slips Found Marked For Hillary Clinton! TRUMP WAS RIGHT!! Donald Trump News 152,000
    BREAKING: Hillary Clinton To Be Indicted… Your Prayers Have Been Answered World Politic US 149,000

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    Strange how Dems don't care about the truth bombs in those Wikileaks. Wonder why.
    Depends on which "truth bombs." Seeing as Wasserman-Shultz was forced out of her DNC post because of the leaks, I'd say Dems showed more concern than you give them credit for.

    Besides, my problem is how they all use the "fake news" buzzword like robots. This is some Orwellian .
    "Fake News" literally describes what they're talking about. Not sure why the phrase bothers you so much. It's not the same kind of buzz phrase as, say, "Crooked Hillary" or "Drill Baby Drill."

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    Depends on which "truth bombs." Seeing as Wasserman-Shultz was forced out of her DNC post because of the leaks, I'd say Dems showed more concern than you give them credit for.



    "Fake News" literally describes what they're talking about. Not sure why the phrase bothers you so much. It's not the same kind of buzz phrase as, say, "Crooked Hillary" or "Drill Baby Drill."
    1984 is what the demonrats are striving for.

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    What fake news was responsible for electing Trump? Be specific. Back up your claim.
    For the record I don't think fake news is solely responsible for the election of Trump but in an election this close, any one variable could have made the difference.

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    The only weird thing about it is that it took so long. The election of an actual buffoon, in large part because of fake news, is what amplified the topic.

    Strangely, though, only one side seems to be concerned that this is suddenly a topic of conversation. Wonder why.
    Eh the msm made a living out of fake news for decades, this is all coordinated. What they really mean is that only they are supposed to have a monopoly on information

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    Fake news has been winning elections for quite a while now, they just don't like it when its employed against them. It's just someone else's perception of an event versus their (MSM) side of the story

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    Fake news has been winning elections for quite a while now, they just don't like it when its employed against them. It's just someone else's perception of an event versus their (MSM) side of the story
    We're not talking about biased perspectives, we're talking about fabricated stories.

    When the MSM fabricates a story, that fabrication becomes a bigger story and people get fired.

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    We're not talking about biased perspectives, we're talking about fabricated stories.

    When the MSM fabricates a story, that fabrication becomes a bigger story and people get fired.
    Lol no sorry they're not that trustworthy and self regulatory. They put out blatantly false stuff all the time. Remember when trump "kicked a crying baby and her mother out of a rally" except it didn't happen? Remember when the rebels were "moderate" until they were al nusra and al qaeda? Clinton people claiming they saw things in Wikileaks that were fabricated and media runnng with it, list goes on

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    Fake news has been winning elections for quite a while now, they just don't like it when its employed against them. It's just someone else's perception of an event versus their (MSM) side of the story
    Fake news has also dumbed-down most of the US population. Too bad people don't demand proper journalism these days.

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    Lol no sorry they're not that trustworthy and self regulatory. They put out blatantly false stuff all the time. Remember when trump "kicked a crying baby and her mother out of a rally" except it didn't happen?
    I remember MSM reporting the real version of that incident after the typical Jezebel-type liberal sites played up the clickbaity version of the incident.

    Remember when the rebels were "moderate" until they were al nusra and al qaeda?


    You'll have to link this one, I'm not familiar.

    Clinton people claiming they saw things in Wikileaks that were fabricated and media runnng with it
    I remember the Media reporting on the emails of Wikileaks. I do not recall the Media reporting, as fact, that any of the emails were faked, despite the Clinton campaign's quotes.

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    YWashington Post has been the leader of fake news in 2016

    i doubt they will get dethroned in 2017

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    Biggest fake news in the last few years:
    - saddam has wmds
    - bengazi was due to a youtube video
    - assad gassed his peopl
    - syrian rebels are moderate opposition
    - ghadaffi will massacre his people if we dont bomb
    him
    - trump will start ww3
    - russia influenced election
    - hillary would have won if not for russia

    funny all these were originated from US government or MSM

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    -death panels
    -you can keep your doctor

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    Another 2 classic:
    - the nuke bombs on Japan spared MILLIONS of lives
    - the US defeated the nazis in ww2

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