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Well you thought wrong. Trump is the next Reagan. Good times are here again.
No, but he is probably the most overrated POTUS ever due to the "coolness" factor and him being scandal-free on personal level..
Bush father and Clinton legacies/achievement in Economy and International politics trump that of Obama's , and that's only speaking of last 25 years or so of US history..
Well you thought wrong. Trump is the next Reagan. Good times are here again.
That could very well be true, but I have to see it before I will believe it.
At least he isn't Hillary.
If I were to buy your premise that the sky was falling, what can you point to that Obama did to stop it?
Buy what premise? Reality????? In 2008 this country was in the ing , nobody on earth disputes that.
It wasn't at a great economic point. Certainly, people had been screwed by the housing gimmicks. I don't buy the propaganda that we were on the verge of a depression though. But again I ask, what do you think Obama specifically did that was so great for the economy?
I'm not saying Obama stopped the sky from falling, but he didn't hasten it. He might have if he made the wrong move.
At any rate, the sky didn't fall...yet.
If governments around the world hadn't stepped in it would have been a global depression without doubt. The fact that it was a global crisis should put to rest the idea that it was all Dubya's fault.
I give both Bush and Obama credit for playing their small role in dealing with the economic crisis. Putting that aside, they both sucked in terms of general economic policy as well as foreign policy.
Dubya's fault alone? Clinton had no fault?
I think Bush and Obama did nothing to address the crisis. It just played itself out though. The bailouts were nothing but money for benefactors; and their actions only stopped better more fair corrections from occurring. The partisans want you to overlook that crony capitalism is a cancer.
LOL I'll take the word of experts over some dip on SpursTalk.
Doesn't matter. It went to on Bush's watch. It recovered on Obama's watch. That's it and that's all.
It was fine on Clinton's watch. It went to on Bush's watch. It recovered on Obama's watch. That's it and that's all.
That's not nothing. In fact, it's slightly better than nothing.
To hand off the republic relatively uninpaired -- or about as good when you got it -- is honorable service to the office and the country.
It's basically the definition of Tory conservatism.
Obama will hand it off very slightly improved.
If by your definition, you mean hurting the middle class... then yes!
The "experts" are paid handsomely to lie to you, "dip ."
I don't think you get the concept of chain effects and metaphorical time bombs. It was Clinton's meddling with the banks that led to the wreckless banking practices that created the housing bubble and led to the horrible economy.
that trend preceeds Obama by 30 years. The Panic of 2008-9 was inherited, not caused by Obama.
It started in 2006 when the democrats took congress.
That is a simple fact that cannot be denied. They caused so much fear about taxing the rich.
I'm sorry you still don't recognize that after all these years.
How about a family sedan?
In 2000, a Chevy Impala for example was about 19K base. In 2008, 22K. Wages went up faster than the cars. Obama signed car regulations that shot up the price of cars. The 2016 Impala now has a base price of 27K, lacking way behind wages.
Isn't a car a large part of the middle-class purchase.
I'm sure you can find so many more examples if you look.
Stop listen to the pundits, and look at real facts.
And it took him 8 years to figure it out? Not to mention he was handed a surplus (not disputable since dubya himself justified his tax cuts on giving that surplus back to the American public), and handed over a mess. He's also a guy that signed off on unfunded liabilities like Medicare part D. There's a reason almost every republican/conservative in here called him a RINO by the time he left office, tbh
like when Obama extended the Bush tax cuts?
Did that strike fear in your heart?
I know you like to blame everything on the Democrats, but really,WC, it blinds you to facts.
The last good administration I remember was Bush Sr. Clinton rode a bubble, but at least at that time, the GOP congress was still willing to negotiate. Dubya was an epic disaster in more ways than one, although he benefited from being a war time president. Barry was better in general, but not great either. He's leaving office with a significant approval rating though, which I personally thought would be much lower due to the polarizing political climate.
Yep. Right up there with Reagan. Obama hasn't a lot of time left to screw that up.
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