Is Obama the Worst President Ever?

[Winehole23]

for WC: http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168316

[Spurtacular]

And it took him 8 years to figure it out? Not to mention he was handed a surplus (not disputable since dubya himself justified his tax cuts on giving that surplus back to the American public), and handed over a mess. He's also a guy that signed off on unfunded liabilities like Medicare part D. There's a reason almost every republican/conservative in here called him a RINO by the time he left office, tbh

I'm no fan of Bush. Hated just about everything he did. The tax cuts didn't bother me, tbh. We pay so f'ing much in taxes as it is. It's the corporatists that pushed the narrative that the personal income tax was too low.

[Winehole23]

Obamabucks. Haven't you heard? Obama gives out pretty nice welfare. But it discourages working. Socialistic ideals. We know what the ending to countries with Socialism. They all become equally poor.

the bs here is too dense to separate, but if you put Obama at the high water mark of the welfare state, you miscalculated.

[ElNono]

I'm no fan of Bush. Hated just about everything he did. The tax cuts didn't bother me, tbh. We pay so f'ing much in taxes as it is. It's the corporatists that pushed the narrative that the personal income tax was too low.

In hindsight it was a terrible decision. He single-handedly killed any concept of 'trickle down' economics. Even if anybody would argue that the wars and their cost was unavoidable, things like Medicare part D were not. He let Cheney run loose about expanding Executive power, without thinking the next president wouldn't be a Republican and will use the same tools.

I actually dislike that Barry used those powers too instead of reverting them back where they belong (Congress, judiciary, etc), but if you want to know where those come from, look no further than Cheney, Alberto Gonzalez, John Yoo, etc..

[Winehole23]

Obama normalized the radical expansion of executive power under GWB. That's part of his legacy, much for the worse.

What will a petty, vindictive person like Trump do with it?

[Winehole23]

But maybe that's why people are so excited: they want fellow citizens who merely disagree, to suffer at the hand of political force.

[Spurtacular]

In hindsight it was a terrible decision. He single-handedly killed any concept of 'trickle down' economics. Even if anybody would argue that the wars and their cost was unavoidable, things like Medicare part D were not. He let Cheney run loose about expanding Executive power, without thinking the next president wouldn't be a Republican and will use the same tools.

I actually dislike that Barry used those powers too instead of reverting them back where they belong (Congress, judiciary, etc), but if you want to know where those come from, look no further than Cheney, Alberto Gonzalez, John Yoo, etc..

Dude, presidents have been pulling that sh** since practically the beginning.

I don't care to debate trickle down b/c that seems like it just drops along partisan lines; but I just think that you earn your money and keep it and you're better off. Even Obama barely f'd with the tax cuts.

[Winehole23]

The theme of sadism is coming out into the open. Americans increasingly see one another as the foe.

[Spurtacular]

Obama normalized the radical expansion of executive power under GWB. That's part of his legacy, much for the worse.

What will a petty, vindictive person like Trump do with it?

Trump probably doesn't give a sh** about the Cons ution. I'm hoping that he has a moralistic streak; but that's only a loose hope.

[Wild Cobra]

for WC: http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168316

I was speaking of something totally different. The democrats campaigned of making the evil rich paid. When the democrats won congress in 2006, it wasn't any legislation passed that hurt the economy, but rather the fact they won, and claimed they would hurt the rich. The rich responded.

[Winehole23]

Trump probably doesn't give a sh** about the Cons ution. I'm hoping that he has a moralistic streak; but that's only a loose hope.

I'm hoping the US Congress will keep him in check somehow. I don't have much hope DJT sees beyond his own estate and his own personal glory.

[Winehole23]

I was speaking of something totally different. The democrats campaigned of making the evil rich paid. When the democrats won congress in 2006, it wasn't any legislation passed that hurt the economy, but rather the fact they won, and claimed they would hurt the rich. The rich responded.

They didn't raise taxes or even threaten to. That was BS.

[Winehole23]

Obama extended the Bush tax cuts.

[Winehole23]

Which taxes did he raise?

[Wild Cobra]

They didn't raise taxes or even threaten to. That was BS.

I guess you weren't watching the 2006 election cycle.

The democrats promised to make the rich pay more.

It doesn't matter it never happened. I was the threat that the rich slowed on investing over.

[Spurtacular]

I'm hoping the US Congress will keep him in check somehow. I don't have much hope DJT sees beyond his own estate and his own personal glory.

Congress are in the pockets of the lobbyists. The handfuls of moral reps (and that may be a generous number) will not be keeping anyone on the straight and narrow.

[ElNono]

Trump probably doesn't give a sh** about the Cons ution. I'm hoping that he has a moralistic streak; but that's only a loose hope.

He gonna grab morals by the pussy, tbh...

I wish him well, he's gonna be the president for all Muricans now, but I don't have any expectations he's going to be what he's not. It's like hoping Jimmer is going to be an NBA star one day, that ship has sailed and that kind of expectations are just setting yourself up for disappointment, IMO.

[Rust Cohle]

I don't think you get the concept of chain effects and metaphorical time bombs. It was Clinton's meddling with the banks that led to the wreckless banking practices that created the housing bubble and led to the horrible economy.

I get the concept of conservatives trying to blame all their failures on the previous Democratic administration. When Trump sends this thing into the toilet I'm sure " but but but Obama caused this" will be the excuse.

It all went to on Bush's watch. It recovered on Obama's watch. That's it and that's all.

[mavsfan1000]

I get the concept of conservatives trying to blame all their failures on the previous Democratic administration. When Trump sends this thing into the toilet I'm sure " but but but Obama caused this" will be the excuse.

It all went to on Bush's watch. It recovered on Obama's watch. That's it and that's all.

What recovered? It's still with even more debt.

[florige]

What recovered? It's still with even more debt.

Were you born after 2008 or something?

[Nbadan]

They didn't raise taxes or even threaten to. That was BS.

Perfect example of what we up against IMO....lies built on other lies..

[Nbadan]

And it took him 8 years to figure it out? Not to mention he was handed a surplus (not disputable since dubya himself justified his tax cuts on giving that surplus back to the American public), and handed over a mess. He's also a guy that signed off on unfunded liabilities like Medicare part D. There's a reason almost every republican/conservative in here called him a RINO by the time he left office, tbh

....and why lefty liberals called Bubba Clinton a DINO too IMO....

[mavsfan1000]

Were you born after 2008 or something?

And things sucked with Obama as well. Namely, Obamacare.

[Nbadan]

I think we all need to reevaluate the quality of President George H.W. Bush was IMO....

[boutons_deux]

I think we all need to reevaluate the quality of President George H.W. Bush was IMO....

http://us-presidents.insidegov.com/q...ccomplishments

the economy was tanking, so he didn't get a 2nd term. "It's The Economy, Stupid"