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    North Carolina is no longer a democracy: report

    North Carolina can no longer be considered a democracy, according to a new report*from the Electoral Integrity Project (EIP), which rated the state's overall electoral integrity at the same levels of those in authoritarian states and "pseudo-democracies" such as Cuba, Indonesia and Sierra Leone.

    The state scored 58 out of 100, with ratings so poor on the measures of legal framework and voter registration that it tracked closely with those in Iran and Venezuela. The state got a score of 7 out of 100 for the integrity of voting district boundaries.
    According to the report, North Carolina was the worst state for unfair districting in the United States and the worst ever analyzed by the EIP in the world. These ratings mean that the state can no longer be considered a democracy.
    The EIP, created in 2012, uses a system measuring 50 elements to the election process including legal framework, access to polling and how ballots are counted. Since it's creation, the EIP has measured 213 elections in 153 countries.
    Some issues listed in the state of North Carolina included a large number of unopposed in bent state legislators in the general election, poor districting that the EIP said displaces power and the GOP's veto-proof control as a majority in the state.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...mocracy-report

    Orginal op-ed:

    http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...122593759.html

    Andrew Reynolds has consulted in over 25 nations on issues of democratic design since 1991. His most recent book is The Arab Spring: Pathways of Repression and Reform (Oxford). He is a Professor of Political Science at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
    Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...#storylink=cpy

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    The project would not have been possible without the generous support and cooperation of the following organizations.



    https://www.electoralintegrityproject.com/partners/

    Soros-funded... what a surprise.

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    So George Soros forced the slave state NC Repugs to gut the Dem governor's powers?

    And Dems are whiny sore losers?

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    Anti American groups like the democrat party shouldn't hold any power in this country at all. It isn't undemocratic enough at all until they're all placed in camps

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    Let me know when the public executions are scheduled. I'll tune in.

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    Looks like the usual suspect is trying to turn this place into Stormfront.

    Still think its funny he changed usernames after he called for a church shooting in the days before Dylan Wolf's rampage.

    Oh and btw logless VPN's only work if they don't have a standing search warrant.

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    Ah yes the political forum is one person. I am also m>s, dirkoneanddoneski, DMC, thread and I use the TSA account to discuss my conspiracies

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    dp

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    Ah yes the political forum is one person. I am also m>s, dirkoneanddoneski, DMC, thread and I use the TSA account to discuss my conspiracies
    Making up to deflect.

    Have to love cowardly facist types.

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    lol UTA

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    The project would not have been possible without the generous support and cooperation of the following organizations.



    https://www.electoralintegrityproject.com/partners/

    Soros-funded... what a surprise.
    Description of Ad Hominem

    Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

    An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her cir stances, or her actions is made (or the character, cir stances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

    Person A makes claim X.
    Person B makes an attack on person A.
    Therefore A's claim is false.
    The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, cir stances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).
    So... your first our first instinct when given infomration that puts the Republican party in a bad light is to commit a logical fallacy.

    You are the conservative version of boutons.

    "duh, logical fallacy, appeal to emotion, I win, you lose, neener, neener".

    You simply add another bit of evidence to support my statement that the conservative movement in this country is intellectually bankrupt.

    No ideas, no ability to construct reasonable policies based on evidence and sound reasoning, just pure bloviation.

    Why don't you make a case for how well functioning democracy is in North Carolina?

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    Description of Ad Hominem



    So... your first our first instinct when given infomration that puts the Republican party in a bad light is to commit a logical fallacy.

    You are the conservative version of boutons.

    "duh, logical fallacy, appeal to emotion, I win, you lose, neener, neener".

    You simply add another bit of evidence to support my statement that the conservative movement in this country is intellectually bankrupt.

    No ideas, no ability to construct reasonable policies based on evidence and sound reasoning, just pure bloviation.

    Why don't you make a case for how well functioning democracy is in North Carolina?

    You posted the claim. You would be Person A. He didn't attack you or the author of the claim. If he didn't commit X as defined by your copyNpaste, you are incorrect, as defined by your copyNpaste. He made a segue statement that deflected any undertaking of rebuttal to your posted article. That is NOT ad hominem.

    You can now retract your long winded way of calling Conservatives dumb and slap yourself for the audacity to even try that. You aren't as smart as you want to think you are.

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    LOL and the nerve and irony of an SJW criticizing policy making and ideas based on facts and rationale. The winners write the rules and yuse guys are passing the book because the country tired of failed Leftist policies of lies, contradiction and mixed messages and you're upset because you can only identify by labels and prefabricated partisan ideals, so you cant look beyond that narrown scope with objectivity as to whats best for the entirety of the population.

    Barry pretending to be a hard ass with Israel after gifting them $500+ billion and promising another $500 billion over the next 8 years is just typically trivial of his Administration and policies and behaviors. If your buddy gives you loads of gifts unconditionally, you'd get pissed if he wormed his way out of voting on something and it cuts your legs from under you, you'd be pissed. Obama's passive-agressive schtick is old hat and he's passive agressive because he lacks confidence in his decision making and it shows in his inconsistent and contradictory actions, the Israel episode being the most recent example. Why? Because he and his masters lack policy and idea follow through.

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    $Bs for Israel to defend itself is a totally different issue than Israel moving settlers into the occupied territories, which energizes, inflames Muslims against Israel.

    Obama and others are smart enough to know the difference. You are just ing ignorant bubba.
    Last edited by boutons_deux; 12-27-2016 at 11:55 PM.

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    Description of Ad Hominem



    So... your first our first instinct when given infomration that puts the Republican party in a bad light is to commit a logical fallacy.

    You are the conservative version of boutons.

    "duh, logical fallacy, appeal to emotion, I win, you lose, neener, neener".

    You simply add another bit of evidence to support my statement that the conservative movement in this country is intellectually bankrupt.

    No ideas, no ability to construct reasonable policies based on evidence and sound reasoning, just pure bloviation.

    Why don't you make a case for how well functioning democracy is in North Carolina?
    By that logic, it's a fallacy to point out when an anti-climate-change study is funded by oil companies.

    Why should anyone care about some pointless study funded by the biggest left-wing donor on Earth to make Republicans look bad?

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    By that logic, it's a fallacy to point out when an anti-climate-change study is funded by oil companies.

    Why should anyone care about some pointless study funded by the biggest left-wing donor on Earth to make Republicans look bad?
    fair. but do you know how much each of those groups funded proportionally?

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    Gerrymandering/redistricting in general affects politics more than any other single political action of government.

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    Duke McCrory and his racist Repugs, SORE LOSERS

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    lol RandomGuy...like literally

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    North Carolina Republicans sue to preserve racial gerrymandering

    They have asked the Supreme Court to cancel the 2017 election.

    https://thinkprogress.org/north-carolina-republicans-sue-to-preserve-racial-gerrymandering-edbe1cf51c09#.hytuipczx



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    the way it works is you have to vote em out. might take awhile.

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    NC politics is schizzed out. It was even before it got all techy.

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    The western part of North Carolina is damn beautiful to drive through.

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    You posted the claim. You would be Person A. He didn't attack you or the author of the claim. If he didn't commit X as defined by your copyNpaste, you are incorrect, as defined by your copyNpaste. He made a segue statement that deflected any undertaking of rebuttal to your posted article. That is NOT ad hominem.

    You can now retract your long winded way of calling Conservatives dumb and slap yourself for the audacity to even try that. You aren't as smart as you want to think you are.
    Hmmm.

    To be 100% fair:

    You are correct.

    To be 100% fair:

    That kind of statement is very often used as an implied ad hominem by people who don't really realize they are doing it.

    It ceases to be a segue statement when it is the only statement offered in response, leaving the implication "you can ignore the story because of the source" hanging, with a bit of plausible deniability as to an actual flawed attack.

    Do you think North Carolina has a functioning democracy? Yes or no, and what reasons do you have for defining it as such?
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    LOL and the nerve and irony of an SJW criticizing policy making and ideas based on facts and rationale. The winners write the rules and yuse guys are passing the book because the country tired of failed Leftist policies of lies, contradiction and mixed messages and you're upset because you can only identify by labels and prefabricated partisan ideals, so you cant look beyond that narrown scope with objectivity as to whats best for the entirety of the population.

    I am not a "social justice warrior" by any reasonable definition of the term, sorry.

    What I find funny is the naivete' buried in your statement. "tired of failed Leftist policies of lies", as if the uninformed masses that get their news from twitter and propaganda arms like Fox can distinguish between fact and fiction, and the truth actually matters. the truth just doesn't matter to the right, arguably, PROVABLY, so.

    Our country is barraged with some pretty well financed propaganda campaigns that set the tone of debates. "death tax" over "estate tax", "job creators" over "wealthy". This is obvious as all get out, except for people like you, who go back for seconds on the cool-aid.

    Occasionally, the right does realize that left policies work, after they have been beaten over the head with reality. Things like scrapping mandatory sentences, needle exchange programs, and so forth.

    As someone with a finance/economics background, I am fully aware of how policies like protectionist trade agendas are bad overall. It is bad when Dems do it to protect unions, it is bad when Republicans do it, 'cause Trump said so.

    Public policy should be based on reality, facts and evidence. The problem with "conservative" ideas is that they aren't. The free market leads to everybody worse off, with out some solid rules. Unquestioning faith in that is what plutocrats want, since they are the prime beneficiaries of such policies and beliefs. If you think the billionaires of this world, by and large, give a about struggling families, let alone understand them, that is laughable.

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