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I drove from Minnesota to Milwaukee for that Spurs game. Exciting finish that went down to the final possession.
Not a coincident. He was huge in the spurs early east coast Road Trip and looked like a legit contributor. After the Bucks incident, he's been relegated back to DNPs or Garbage minutes.
I wonder if Pop goes to him in the playoffs in situational matchups. The spurs could have used him against the LAC and the Bulls loses when they stinked offensively...but Pop opted to just sit him.
I guess the Bucks incident is a no no for Greg Popvich.
I drove from Minnesota to Milwaukee for that Spurs game. Exciting finish that went down to the final possession.
Not a coincident. He was huge in the spurs early east coast Road Trip and looked like a legit contributor. After the Bucks incident, he's been relegated back to DNPs or Garbage minutes.
I wonder if Pop goes to him in the playoffs in situational matchups. The spurs could have used him against the LAC and the Bulls loses when they stinked offensively...but Pop opted to just sit him.
I guess the Bucks incident is a no no for Greg Popvich.
I hope that's not it. I was glad to see him step up and show some fire. If he's really not going to play him, he should let him go somewhere else.
It's a coincidence.
Bertans, for whatever reason, has become very hesitant to shoot. And that, plus Pop giving more time to Kyle, has reduced Davis's role.
Ah, so Bertans is now "hesitant" to shoot. Good to see these Spurstalk myths are still going strong.
He doesn't look hesitant at all. Between the lack of minutes and lack of opportunities to shoot in the offense, it's obvious that hesitation has nothing to do with it. I'm sure if he was firing 30 foot jumpers everytime he touched the ball, people here would complain about that too.
There have been quite a few "coincidences" over the years. None of us ever know what's going through Pop's mind, but it sure has looked like players get in his doghouse.
Are you taking into account that Kyle has been more hesitant than anyone to put up shots? He threw up 5 against the Clippers, but he only put up 2 in 16 minutes against Portland, which is even less than his season average on a per minute basis. (Per 36, if you like that better.) The point is, the only game he's been less hesitant than Bertans was against the Clips. Whatever Pop's reasoning, I don't see how that's it.
Edit: Here, Bill, just for laughs: Kyle's FGA/36 is the lowest on the team at 5.7. Bertans is averaging 8.0, which is about the same as Danny and Dedmon. And like I said, with the exception of the Clipper game, Kyle has been putting up less shots Per 36 recently, and not more.
Last edited by GSH; 12-24-2016 at 11:35 PM.
Classic Pop TBH. To me the incident it's definitively the reason.
Where in MN you at? I spent a summer in Brooklyn Park as an intern for Xcel energy.
And people will continue to and moan about how he's not shooting 50% from 3 when he gets inconsistent and random minutes as a ing rookie.
Let's not forget that Kyle was padding his FGA, steals and assists at the end of the Clippers game with that ridiculous sequence...
He ing needs to get over himself, tbh.
Well that's gay. You don't punish a guy for standing up for his teammates. They won that game anyway.
I agree. Pop absolutely needs to get over himself.
Okay, that's a good point. I stand, er, sit corrected. However, Kyle and Davis have different roles. Kyle, in theory, is out there for playmaking and defense. Davis is out there for scoring. So, Davis should have a higher FGA rate. So, I still say his lack of playing time lately has little to do with the brawl and more to do with Kyle playing slightly better and Davis being unable or unwilling to get his shot up.
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Yeah, whats up with that? As if he was brought in for any other reason than to let it fly. Reminds me of Brent Barry's frustrating run on the Spurs. Comes in, hustles, runs to his spots on the floor and then quickly passes the ball right after receiving it. SMH SHOOOT!!
He's a smart player. He's not going to chuck every time he's open. Once he gets more minutes and/or opportunities, he'll shoot more.
Every player for the Spurs is damned if they do or damned if they don't here on Spurstalk. Smh
I'm a way I blame that on Pop. When shooters get here, mentally they go from green light to yellow light. Sure he "gives" them the green light, but he's such a dominant looming figure, they're afraid to disappoint.
I think because he demands so much defense, they expend so much energy to please him on that end of the court, that they just don't have the energy and are somewhat mentally drained to let it fly with a clear conscience on offense.
Of course they're are always the rare exception, Manu / Patty.
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I am in Medicine Lake, a few miles from downtown Minneapolis.
Bertrans is a hesitant shooter and teams already know to chase him off the three point line. I know this sounds crazy, but he needs to watch tape of Bonner and come up with a way to score once he's chased off the 3 point line.
I'm a way I blame that on Pop. When shooters get here, mentally they go from green light to yellow light. Sure he "gives" them the green light, but he's such a dominant looming figure, they're afraid to disappoint.
It seems that way sometimes, but that's why I like to go to the stats:
Roger Mason shot more often when he came here. Hedo shot just as often. Brent Barry shot more often than he had for the several years before he came here. Horry's attempts/36 came up significantly after he came here from LA. Drew Gooden's FGA/36 went way the up when he came here, which is one of the reasons he didn't get to play - he was a true black hole, trying to prove something. Richard Jefferson's attempts dropped off a bit, but more than he has since he left - his had a lot to do with where he was in his career. Same with Finley - some drop off in frequency, but tail end of his career.
I really don't think that Bertans has been any more reluctant to shoot than Kyle - both have been pretty gun-shy, with the exception of a few games each. But part of Bertans' lack of minutes is probably the fact that since the 11/25 game, he's gone 2-14 from 3P. Chicken or egg?
IMO, and that is just an opinion mind you, has nothing to do with Kyle.
Most of Kyle's minutes come as a wing... Very rarely he's played the 4 since the Dallas game at home that Pop played all his rookies and youngsters and it came down to the wire. Bertans started that game as a 4 and played the most minutes. I think Kyle didn't play any more than 2 minutes as a 4 against Portland and we have to go way, way back to that Dallas game I think to find him at that spot outside of garbage time. Pop has gone to "small" and perimeter lineups with his rotation wings Danny, Manu and Kawhi and has added Simmons at times if Manu has reached his minutes restriction or is resting. It's obvious to me he's preferring Simmons for "small" lineups. For Pop Bertans is a strict big.
I think Davis' lack of recent play is more a reflection of Pop settling in a rotation of 10 guys and neither Davis nor Kyle being on it. Both or either could have played against the Bulls when others kept throwing up bricks and Pop refused. He went down with his 10. It was inexplicable to me at the time. I thought Pop may have wanted to put the pressure on his rotation guys or whatever to get it done. Simmons and Manu shot 1-8 and 0-9 respectively (or something of that nature) and it was a notoriously poor game for several starters as well (Lamarcus with his inefficient bricks and Pau with his statue like defense made appearances in that game). That was a Pop who reminded me of how he coached the Clippers series in 2015... he went down with Tony throwing up bricks game after game, despite having Cujo chained to the bench. He couldn't have been worse than Tony in that series. Pop at this point kind of has his guys apparently and is putting the burden on those 10 guys.
Against the Clippers for example, Simmons was 2-10 or something of that sort. The second half of that game, the Clippers went to a perimeter lineup and for sure they could have used Bertans' shooting but again his lack of play was not due to Kyle. Kyle himself played a few minutes in 2nd Q at a wing spot bc Ginobili was rested. He played well, both scored on his own and got steals, deflections, and made plays on defense + was rebounding... Yet, he didn't play in the second half when Pop was trying to get back into the game and when the minutes mattered. Pop stuck again to his rotation guys. Kyle didn't get in the game again until Pop waved the white flag. He and Dijon attempted a comeback that came close and was a better effort than the group that played before them.
That is just an opinion. For what it's worth, I thought Kyle was in the doghouse himself despite recent good play. The reality is both guys are out of the rotation when everyone is healthy and Pop probably pre-determines the games they will play carefully. I suspect Davis will make appearances again and Kyle will appear to be in the doghouse again.
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As an aside, Davis issue is rebounding, and blocking out other bigs from the boards, not passiveness. IMO he hasn't been getting looks. It may be that he's not screening effectively to free himself or more likely, opponents are respecting him as a shooter and bringing in help from someone else, or recovering quickly to him. Pop doesn't appear to mind who is scoring, so long as guys in general are executing the offense and Davis' man sticking to him presents opportunities for others. (The Bonner effect) It's an uphill battle for him to get minutes bc the other rotation bigs who are quality players (Lee...)
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