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    The more I see him play, the more I'm convinced he needs minutes...he is quick, gets to the rim at will, can collapse the defense, and he puts big men on skates when they switch the pick and roll...plus his defense is disruptive...as he gets more playing time and experience, he will be a good defender with his length...he even hit a 3 with no hesitation, which shows he is working on that shot...this kid is a big deal

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    Probably can easily average 15 pts, 5 rebs, 5 asts if given minutes on bad team

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    While I totally agree on your assessment of his skills I have to disagree that he should have more playing time. The sample we're seeing is mostly garbage time minutes where he is playing against fringe d leaguers. Even Anderson looks passable against them. When he's up against starting caliber players he turns the ball over to much. Tony may not be able to get to the rim the way he used to but he still has a decent turnover rate. Currently the spurs turn the ball over an average of 13 times a game. While that's not the best rate in the league it's a great rate for a team that passes as much as the spurs. If Murray had more minutes early that number would significantly increase as well as our losses. He's still really young and I believe d league and garbage time combined with a full off-season of working on his ball control is the right combination. Starting him or even putting him as the first of the bench would be pointing away our playoff seeding and any hopes for home court advantage. Of course given how we've played at home compared to away that might not be a bad thing...

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    Nah. The dude needs to be in Austin working on his body and game. There are things he can do this year, but his issues aren't things that can be worked out on the bench. The big club can't give him the attention he needs.

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    He looked better in his Last two outings but still is far away from being a player in a Spurs Uniform. Let him develop in Austin ...

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    Probably can easily average 15 pts, 5 rebs, 5 asts if given minutes on bad team

    Give him some good teammates and he'd average a triple-double.

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    While I totally agree on your assessment of his skills I have to disagree that he should have more playing time. The sample we're seeing is mostly garbage time minutes where he is playing against fringe d leaguers. Even Anderson looks passable against them. When he's up against starting caliber players he turns the ball over to much. Tony may not be able to get to the rim the way he used to but he still has a decent turnover rate. Currently the spurs turn the ball over an average of 13 times a game. While that's not the best rate in the league it's a great rate for a team that passes as much as the spurs. If Murray had more minutes early that number would significantly increase as well as our losses. He's still really young and I believe d league and garbage time combined with a full off-season of working on his ball control is the right combination. Starting him or even putting him as the first of the bench would be pointing away our playoff seeding and any hopes for home court advantage. Of course given how we've played at home compared to away that might not be a bad thing...
    Amen. As much as Parker has declined, people are going overboard with the notion that a veteran point guard that knows the Spurs system inside out and that at least knows the team defense scheme is somehow replaceable with a rookie that is turnover prone in the D-League. Turnovers will mean first round exit in the playoffs this year...Pop is going with the veterans.

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    The more I see him play, the more I'm convinced he needs minutes...he is quick, gets to the rim at will, can collapse the defense, and he puts big men on skates when they switch the pick and roll...plus his defense is disruptive...as he gets more playing time and experience, he will be a good defender with his length...he even hit a 3 with no hesitation, which shows he is working on that shot...this kid is a big deal
    He has potential but no polish. He would get absolutely bulldozed by NBA point guards, especially once they got used to seeing his handles and tendencies.

    One of the biggest things that sets NBA ball handlers apart is their ability to improvise and be safe with the ball against different forms of pressure and different attacks. I have confidence that Murray isn't there yet and would have extreme difficulty dealing with that. A half court trap from two NBA players is worlds apart from one from two college kids.

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    Nah. The dude needs to be in Austin working on his body and game. There are things he can do this year, but his issues aren't things that can be worked out on the bench. The big club can't give him the attention he needs.
    This. Pretty clear that they dont have a plan for him this season, better play 35 mins in the dleague than rot in the bench

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    Nah. The dude needs to be in Austin working on his body and game. There are things he can do this year, but his issues aren't things that can be worked out on the bench. The big club can't give him the attention he needs.
    +1

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    He isn't even close to seeing the game develop properly. It will take time.

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    he should be playing. tony's playing 25 minutes... give 10 of those to murray.

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    This season is not for this Murray kid.

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    Fifteen million?!???!!??

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    He's shown flashes as a scoring guard in his limited time..however, it's very evident that he has no idea how to run a team, control the pace or pass the ball, right now..it's understandable at his age, but he's nowhere near ready to play serious NBA minutes

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    I'm excited for the potential of Murray, two things will happen:

    1. Murray will start at least one more game this season should he remain healthy. Pop will give him as many minutes as the ability to win dictates.

    2. Murray will not contribute these playoffs unless a championship dooming rash of injuries break out.

    Anyone hoping for something different is hoping for the impossible. He can get to the rim and his size makes his defensive potential high but until he can shoot a three and play within the team Pop's rape stick will be firmly lodged between his butt cheecks.

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    we don't even need a lot from him. he just needs to be active defensively.

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    I don't think people understand how difficult it is to play against good NBA teams, especially once when they have a scouting report on that player it's a completely different game than going up against bench warmers on the Pelicans or Kings..

    Look at Simmons..he consistently struggles against good defenses outside of transition points(while looking great vs. sloppy, undisciplined teams), and he's currently a lot more polished than Murray(and plays a much easier position to learn)..

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    A lot of people seem to forget that playing time helps someone gain the experience they need. If this guy is thrown into the fire with this veteran team I believe he would respond very well. He would improve a lot and learn from his mistakes. I feel he has the talent and the at ude it takes to not be overwhelmed by the moment. He's a special exception, imo.

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    A lot of people seem to forget that playing time helps someone gain the experience they need. If this guy is thrown into the fire with this veteran team I believe he would respond very well. He would improve a lot and learn from his mistakes. I feel he has the talent and the at ude it takes to not be overwhelmed by the moment. He's a special exception, imo.
    well put.

    there used to be a time where teams didn't have the luxury of assigning a player to their d league team and recalling them.

    yeah, murray's raw. let him get some burn.

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    By ur guys logic, once NBA teams get accustomed to anyone's game, they will be stopped...this dude has elite handles...he is not gonna suddenly get stripped...playing time will aid his decision making... Keep in mind he is a first round talent that was once projected to be in the lottery...there are worse point guards in the NBA than him getting significant burn...he will help us when our offense gets stagnant with the starting unit because he can create off the dribble...currently kawhi is the only player in the starting lineup that can break down the defense when our offense breaks down...that's why we tend to go on these droughts... No dynamic players... Everyone is a jumoshooter, and parker isn't even that...the couple turnovers he may have will be overshadowed by the good he will bring...he did pretty good against starting level pg when he got some burn, and learning goes 2 ways...players will leads his tendencies, and he will learn theirs...difference is that he is 6'5 and athletic with insane handles...guess who wins that battle?

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    Overstating Murray's handles gets you nowhere

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    the waiving of nico today seems to suggest FO not paying any attention to the ST experts yet again.

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    Nah. The dude needs to be in Austin working on his body and game. There are things he can do this year, but his issues aren't things that can be worked out on the bench. The big club can't give him the attention he needs.
    Spurs might figure they need him on nights players rest. No games can be wasted in pursuit of top seed.

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    the waiving of nico today seems to suggest FO not paying any attention to the ST experts yet again.
    I fund this hard to believe. The posters here are all brilliant.

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