At this juncture of the season, which of the Spurs upcoming free agents would you pay to retain?
Simmons, Mills, and Dedmon.
Extra credit: List projected salaries for the players. Just per year, as length is tougher to pin.
I know most of you want to sign new players but this is the Spurs we are talking about and it's most likely we keep guys...
Last edited by raybies; 12-29-2016 at 03:44 PM.
Bertans is not a FA. Still has 1 more year @ his rookie contract.
Unless there's a star willing to come to San Antonio, I'd keep all of them FOR THE RIGHT MONEY. That's the biggest question for me.
If anything, Portland showed us this offseason how painful overpaying for role players can be. They ing screwed their future.
Mills and Dedmon would be the obvious ones.
Mills, then Dedmon.
I'd let Simmons go. He's overrated and unless he were cheap, I'd cut ties. Overpaying him would be a mistake. Him and Murray have enough of a similar game to be redundant and I expect Murray to be in an upward trajectory.
Davis has another season after this one in a cheap contract.
Our players aren't pros utes.
Dedmon should be the top priority with Mills a close second. I like Simmons but unless he settles for $4-5mil a season he's gone.
I don't think it's a given that Dedmon opts out. If we get out from under Gasols contract and Dedmon gets the starting job he can really opt in and work towards an even bigger contract in 2018. He was on the scrap heap 6 months ago.
I'm in on Jeff Teague or George Hill. If we move Gasol we can afford either one and can bring back any of the current players we want.
The only players we need to keep for 2017-2018 are Kawhi, Mills, and Dedmon. Green, and Aldridge, Simmons, Pau and Murray are ones I want to keep also but are replacable. Everyone else I want traded or waived as soon as possible.
The ideal way I'd have it is Kawhi, Mills, Dedmon, Green, Aldridge be the starters. Simmons, Murray, Pau (as power forward), <insert 3nD player>, <Insert stopper defensive big center> as the second string. I think having simmons play a small forward wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if we have a rebounding focus on the two bigs. This is also assuming Murray develops. With the money left over buy some draft picks to round it out.
For this season, separating Aldridge and Pau should be top priority, and we cannot do that when that means moving Pau and Lee to the bench. That ruins our bench defense. To me this means that we need to let Lee go and get a defensive stopper before the move. Lee can be waived to improve the defense with a not-horrible-on-offensive defensive to play center and move pau to power forward. We can probably waive one of our guards/package kyle to do that.
Last edited by lilbthebasedgod; 12-28-2016 at 09:38 PM.
Bring back the Boban!!!!
Simmons isn't needed. I like him but he's proving pretty erratic, not even as impactful as Gary Neal.
Let Mills go ( move Murray up to 2nd string PG -- I think Murrays effectiveness goes down if he has to defend SGs and I think Mills for 14-17 mil per is overpaying for a one dimensional offensive shooter -- who has a lot of heart and hustle).
Stay disciplined with trying to re-sign Dedmon ( wouldn't overpay or pay over 12 mil per).
I'd only keep Simmons if under 5-6 mil per.
Simmons and Dedmon. Mills is gone bc some stupid team will offer him 15-20 mill and a starting job. Davis might alsonjust fall into our hands for cheap if we just dont play him (so we dont show our hand there)
Here first. 2nd round exit to Thunderrefs, Clips or Grizz. Aldridge leaves. We have 20-25 mil to go after a FA
(We beat Jazz, Blazers or Rockettes)
First move of the summer should be salary dumping Gasol on the Wolves; they are desperate for a veteran and Pau is a Thibs guy..Also Scott Layden their new GM last worked as RC Buford assistant..
* Dedmon: he's been good, but not yet worth Biyombo money..I think the Spurs should retain him if the price range is 10-14 millions..
* Patty: gonna get PAID..Anything over 14 millions, I would rather be looking to get into G. Hill/Jrue Holiday sweepstakes instead..they have lot more to offer in PG position..
* Simmons: He has clearly topped out as player and will become expendable soon with emergence of Murray..let him walk..
Manu for $16m...
Spurs should go for cap space one more year and them try to retain guys. Mills would be the top priority, then Dedmon. If no one wants the cap space, give it to those two and then be done with it. Getting caught keeping guys because they're "good deals" is how you end up like Portland or Denver. Mid-level contracts are only beneficial if the team's already over the cap.
No way the Spurs pay any PG that much when Parker is still under contract next year and Pop gives Murray a chance as the main backup next year grooming him to start in the future. And with the way they've been raving about him as of late and seeing what happened with Lapro, it seems all signs are pointing that he'll be the main backup. They'll sign a cheap 3rd string PG and I think Patty is gone (unfortunately).
Dedmon has looked very good so hopefully he'll be retained. Patty's going to be tough since he'll command big money this offseason. I'm hoping the Spurs actually take a long look at Kyle Lowry this upcoming free agency.
Not going to lie... made me laugh.Manu for $16m...
I don't quite understand what you mean...
There are guys who if you don't go after will be gone... like CoJo... they just might get an offer and have to take it or its gone.
If they decide to go for cap, then for sure Mills and Dedmon are gone.
They might retain Simmons because he's a RFA and unless he really has one of his hot games in the playoffs but not over a single game, but a series... I don't think he will be a hot commodity and they can take care of him after doing whatever they wanted in FA.
It might be a last chance to reshape things how they want though... really I am no capologist.
I am inclined to believe Pop will want to retain some guys from this crew. Already this season he had 7 new players and I think Manu is retiring. I suspect highly they want to retain Mills (and should make an effort to retain Dedmon IMO).
Pop giving these chances to Murray this season might really be a test in this mold, you have a good point... to be observed how he does for the rest of the season, etc...
Salary Range IMO
Jonathon Simmons 5-6 million
Dewayne Dedmon 8-10 million
Patty Mills 10-12 million
Thoughts
Simmons may actually get a smaller offer although I doubt he gets anything bigger. Reason being, he has plateaued and imo is a fringe rotation player. He, at times, can be really solid, but he still has loose handles and slow jumper. I imagine he can further refine his niche in the league with the Spurs but if he ventures out he might end up out of the league within a couple years. I just don't think there'll be a high enough demand to raise the price of his services and his lack of upside renders any potential gamble very risky. If he stays he can battle for minutes with Murray and Forbes, depending on the lineup. Verdict: 3-4 million you keep him, maybe even at 5-6, after all he is a playmaker albeit a shaky scorer.
Dewayne Dedmon salary seems a little harder to pinpoint but I'm gonna rely on past Spurs backup centers as a gauge. Look at what Boban and Baynes made from Detroit and then tack on a couple mill for the times, so i peg him at around 10 million per. I think with Pau's age and our lack of true centers in the pipeline, you got to start looking at potential starting centers and he fits the bill. He will be important to retain at the right price. I think the Spurs would spend more but not too much more. It's just the dynamic that he provides, as a solid roll man with defensive attributes, not to mention he has shown the ability to stretch the floor some. I'm sure there are a lot of us that think he would fit better next to LMA than Pau at least on the defensive end, but not quite yet. In one or maybe two years he could be ready. But like I thought last year, I think it's time to draft a big man for down the road. Verdict: Has to be seen as a priority this offseason. He's relatively young, athletic and has been what we have been lacking at the center for a long time. I think he also fits long term with the potential of him and Murray.
Patty Mills: I know that some of you think he will be paid an outrageous number and that he'll start but i think that is highly unlikely. He's a niche guard. He has found a good role here that fits him and he has developed within it's parameters. We all know he is limited, but he makes the most of it with energy and effort. I peg him at a little more than Danny Green money. Another good comparison is Delly. I think he got a 14 mill per deal with Milwaukee and that could very well be his range but I would expect some king of discount. And believe me I think after losing Manu, potentially, I think it is vital that we keep him for the bench. Maybe you even pay him market value so that you could trade him if need be and not feel like you did him wrong. I see Him, Murray, new wing, Bertans/Lee, and Dedmon as the bench for next year. Verdict: Make it happen!
As a side note, I'm not happy with Simmons and Anderson as our 2/3 wings. I'd like to see an upgrade there. Maybe draft...
That's not usually how free agency works. The big fish tend to be caught before anyone else does. So if the Spurs want to check with Paul or Lowry or whomever, that should be decided prior to Mills or Dedmon leaving. If a low-tier team makes a huge offer to Patty or Dewayne, it wasn't going to make much of a difference if the Spurs waited or not. Joseph isn't a great example, because they were never going to keep him after they got LMA. Had they wanted him to stay, he would have. He was an RFA. Mills and Dedmon are UFAs
I just cited him bc he got an offer really quick in FA... he didn't linger on like it happened to Baynes at one point. A team had targeted him and they went after him relatively quick if Spurs released him, that was really the similarity I see (though Mills and Dedmon don't have to be released). Some teams are not even going to get a sit in with a premier FA and go after the other fish basically. I think Patty can be a fish for someone. Dedmon I don't know, he's had a coming out party but he was previously marginal and IMO has to remain solid and make a good showing in the postseason. If he's getting benched in the postseason for fouling or regresses for whatever reason, that is another matter.
I like raybies post in that I think currently the market for Simmons is not that high. IMO his market value probably will be set in the postseason. He's a streaky, streaky dude. We know he's an athlete but the rest of his game is flashes and if he flashes a string of good games and Spurs do well and win... he could raise his stock. Right now I think raybies has him pegged right and I have him lower in that range he cited just bc I agree he's kind of a niche dude. If you throw him in the Pelicans or Nets or somewhere of that nature he's likely to regress. In the Spurs he's not asked to do too much or get out of his niche and he doesn't have to force the issue. Anyways... he's the only one I don't see bolting right away unlike the other two.
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