Which players would you pay for?

[TD 21]

Salary Range IMO

Jonathon Simmons 5-6 million
Dewayne Dedmon 8-10 million
Patty Mills 10-12 million

As a side note, I'm not happy with Simmons and Anderson as our 2/3 wings. I'd like to see an upgrade there. Maybe draft...

I agree with these salary ranges, in terms of what I suspect the Spurs would be willing to pay them.

Simmons and Anderson definitely won't cut it as 3rd and 4th wings respectively, but Mills and Dedmon are more than likely going to be the priorities and if they can keep both, it'll mean going cheap on the wings.

Despite all the talk of high priced starters, this is how I think they envision point guard playing out . . .

- Mills re-signs and continues on in the same role.

- Parker also continues on in his role for the remainder of his contract and barring further significant slippage, re-signs the following off season for 2-3 years (probably a partial guarantee) at significantly less.

- Murray becomes the fifth guard next season, then becomes the fourth the following season. He stays in that role for 2-3 seasons, then becomes the starter when Parker retires.

[kaji157]

I won´t keep Simmons if it meant paying him more than what we are paying Deadmon now (3million), I would trade Patty now as having 2 mediocre PG making 25 millions or more is not a good business (and asuming the FO wont trade parker) and give Deadmon what he deserves.

[spursistan]

I agree with these salary ranges, in terms of what I suspect the Spurs would be willing to pay them.

Simmons and Anderson definitely won't cut it as 3rd and 4th wings respectively, but Mills and Dedmon are more than likely going to be the priorities and if they can keep both, it'll mean going cheap on the wings.

Despite all the talk of high priced starters, this is how I think they envision point guard playing out . . .

- Mills re-signs and continues on in the same role.

- Parker also continues on in his role for the remainder of his contract and barring further significant slippage, re-signs the following off season for 2-3 years (probably a partial guarantee) at significantly less.

- Murray becomes the fifth guard next season, then becomes the fourth the following season. He stays in that role for 2-3 seasons, then becomes the starter when Parker retires.

Such remarkable effort at making Kawhi bolt to LA in 2019 and we become officially a basketball backwater..Here comes Bucks West ..PATFO .

[spursistan]

This Parker and whatever will become of him after this season has no business being a starting PG on a hopeful contender, lest we're kidding ourselves..

[TD 21]

Such remarkable effort at making Kawhi bolt to LA in 2019 and we become officially a basketball backwater..Here comes Bucks West ..PATFO .

I wouldn't worry about that . . .

- Since he's experienced such uncommon team success at an early age, there's less win now pressure than the typical young franchise player

- Presuming they mostly keep this team together in the near future, they should continue to churn out 55-60 win seasons, with a chance at the Conference Finals

- The 2-3 teams with clearly better odds at a championship, he can't go to

- Because of the success and the way they operate, he's probably forged relationships and trust that's atypical and his low key personality matches the organization and city


Of course Parker shouldn't be starting for a team with serious championship aspirations, but consider the organization's relationship with him, then find the point guard who vaults them back to legit contender status and do so without robbing them of a significant piece(s) . . . this is why they'll likely continue along this path.

[sasaint]

Salary Range IMO

Jonathon Simmons 5-6 million
Dewayne Dedmon 8-10 million
Patty Mills 10-12 million

Thoughts
Simmons may actually get a smaller offer although I doubt he gets anything bigger. Reason being, he has plateaued and imo is a fringe rotation player. He, at times, can be really solid, but he still has loose handles and slow jumper. I imagine he can further refine his niche in the league with the Spurs but if he ventures out he might end up out of the league within a couple years. I just don't think there'll be a high enough demand to raise the price of his services and his lack of upside renders any potential gamble very risky. If he stays he can battle for minutes with Murray and Forbes, depending on the lineup. Verdict: 3-4 million you keep him, maybe even at 5-6, after all he is a playmaker albeit a shaky scorer.

Dewayne Dedmon salary seems a little harder to pinpoint but I'm gonna rely on past Spurs backup centers as a gauge. Look at what Boban and Baynes made from Detroit and then tack on a couple mill for the times, so i peg him at around 10 million per. I think with Pau's age and our lack of true centers in the pipeline, you got to start looking at potential starting centers and he fits the bill. He will be important to retain at the right price. I think the Spurs would spend more but not too much more. It's just the dynamic that he provides, as a solid roll man with defensive attributes, not to mention he has shown the ability to stretch the floor some. I'm sure there are a lot of us that think he would fit better next to LMA than Pau at least on the defensive end, but not quite yet. In one or maybe two years he could be ready. But like I thought last year, I think it's time to draft a big man for down the road. Verdict: Has to be seen as a priority this offseason. He's relatively young, athletic and has been what we have been lacking at the center for a long time. I think he also fits long term with the potential of him and Murray.

Patty Mills: I know that some of you think he will be paid an outrageous number and that he'll start but i think that is highly unlikely. He's a niche guard. He has found a good role here that fits him and he has developed within it's parameters. We all know he is limited, but he makes the most of it with energy and effort. I peg him at a little more than Danny Green money. Another good comparison is Delly. I think he got a 14 mill per deal with Milwaukee and that could very well be his range but I would expect some king of discount. And believe me I think after losing Manu, potentially, I think it is vital that we keep him for the bench. Maybe you even pay him market value so that you could trade him if need be and not feel like you did him wrong. I see Him, Murray, new wing, Bertans/Lee, and Dedmon as the bench for next year. Verdict: Make it happen!

As a side note, I'm not happy with Simmons and Anderson as our 2/3 wings. I'd like to see an upgrade there. Maybe draft...

Very good stuff, especially regarding Patty. However, at Patty's stage, ego sometimes plays a big part. Not every player who is a niche player with a good, specific niche with a team that has been developed over several years understands that moving to a different team with different personnel, that employs a different system and hasn't developed that specific niche for his particular talents may actually be a bad move - even if the money is better.

[sasaint]

Such remarkable effort at making Kawhi bolt to LA in 2019 and we become officially a basketball backwater..Here comes Bucks West ..PATFO .

Seems like every off-season Kawhi heads home to LA. Just sayin'...

[cd98]

Mills is gone. He wants starter money, but he's not a starter. Pop fears playing that guy 30 min a game. Dedmon is a must sign. There aren't a lot of athletic bigs out there that have his potential. Overpay for bigs.

The only problem with losing Mills is the huge hit on three point shooting. Spurs will need a back up plan for that.

[sasaint]

I wouldn't worry about that . . .

- Since he's experienced such uncommon team success at an early age, there's less win now pressure than the typical young franchise player

- Presuming they mostly keep this team together in the near future, they should continue to churn out 55-60 win seasons, with a chance at the Conference Finals

- The 2-3 teams with clearly better odds at a championship, he can't go to

- Because of the success and the way they operate, he's probably forged relationships and trust that's atypical and his low key personality matches the organization and city


Of course Parker shouldn't be starting for a team with serious championship aspirations, but consider the organization's relationship with him, then find the point guard who vaults them back to legit contender status and do so without robbing them of a significant piece(s) . . . this is why they'll likely continue along this path.

This PG transition seems to me to be absolutely critical to the Spurs' future. Tony needs to pass the baton directly to Dijon, if Dijon is, indeed, the PG of the future. If Tony were to pass the baton to a guard who is already championship caliber (who is acquired via trade) you hope that PG would have a tenure that would outlast Dijon's current contract and his patience to be the PG-in-waiting. If the Spurs are in win-now mode and trade for a championship caliber PG, they might as well use Dijon in the trade.

I actually think the timing works out pretty well, as long as Tony can play at this level for one more year, and the Spurs can retain Patty, and Dijon develops quickly. Dijon would start next season as the 3rd PG, but wiith some force-feeding, he would replace Patty as the 2nd PG by season's end. The following season, Dijon would become #1, with Patty still serving as #2.

A lineup of Dijon, Danny, Kawhi, LMA and Deadman could be a very serious contender. I even like Patty as a shooting guard in a lineup with a long, defensive PG like Dijon: Dijon, Patty, Kawhi, LMA, Deadman.

[SAGirl]

This PG transition seems to me to be absolutely critical to the Spurs' future. Tony needs to pass the baton directly to Dijon, if Dijon is, indeed, the PG of the future. If Tony were to pass the baton to a guard who is already championship caliber (who is acquired via trade) you hope that PG would have a tenure that would outlast Dijon's current contract and his patience to be the PG-in-waiting. If the Spurs are in win-now mode and trade for a championship caliber PG, they might as well use Dijon in the trade.

I actually think the timing works out pretty well, as long as Tony can play at this level for one more year, and the Spurs can retain Patty, and Dijon develops quickly. Dijon would start next season as the 3rd PG, but wiith some force-feeding, he would replace Patty as the 2nd PG by season's end. The following season, Dijon would become #1, with Patty still serving as #2.

A lineup of Dijon, Danny, Kawhi, LMA and Deadman could be a very serious contender. I even like Patty as a shooting guard in a lineup with a long, defensive PG like Dijon: Dijon, Patty, Kawhi, LMA, Deadman.

You have the right idea... but you also had the right idea about Patty.
In a scenario like this he would never start. That interview he gave is indeed still in my mind. It depends on what he's offered and by whom, as well as his ambition.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Such remarkable effort at making Kawhi bolt to LA in 2019 and we become officially a basketball backwater..Here comes Bucks West ..PATFO .

He won't, by 2018/19 he'll be eligible for the super max extension per the new CBA. He'll take it.

[Raven]

probably none tbh. It seems any player get close to a max contract, and I wouldn't pay that. I would try to keep all three of them on normal contracts though.

[mo7888]

Salary Range IMO

Jonathon Simmons 5-6 million
Dewayne Dedmon 8-10 million
Patty Mills 10-12 million

Thoughts
Simmons may actually get a smaller offer although I doubt he gets anything bigger. Reason being, he has plateaued and imo is a fringe rotation player. He, at times, can be really solid, but he still has loose handles and slow jumper. I imagine he can further refine his niche in the league with the Spurs but if he ventures out he might end up out of the league within a couple years. I just don't think there'll be a high enough demand to raise the price of his services and his lack of upside renders any potential gamble very risky. If he stays he can battle for minutes with Murray and Forbes, depending on the lineup. Verdict: 3-4 million you keep him, maybe even at 5-6, after all he is a playmaker albeit a shaky scorer.

Dewayne Dedmon salary seems a little harder to pinpoint but I'm gonna rely on past Spurs backup centers as a gauge. Look at what Boban and Baynes made from Detroit and then tack on a couple mill for the times, so i peg him at around 10 million per. I think with Pau's age and our lack of true centers in the pipeline, you got to start looking at potential starting centers and he fits the bill. He will be important to retain at the right price. I think the Spurs would spend more but not too much more. It's just the dynamic that he provides, as a solid roll man with defensive attributes, not to mention he has shown the ability to stretch the floor some. I'm sure there are a lot of us that think he would fit better next to LMA than Pau at least on the defensive end, but not quite yet. In one or maybe two years he could be ready. But like I thought last year, I think it's time to draft a big man for down the road. Verdict: Has to be seen as a priority this offseason. He's relatively young, athletic and has been what we have been lacking at the center for a long time. I think he also fits long term with the potential of him and Murray.

Patty Mills: I know that some of you think he will be paid an outrageous number and that he'll start but i think that is highly unlikely. He's a niche guard. He has found a good role here that fits him and he has developed within it's parameters. We all know he is limited, but he makes the most of it with energy and effort. I peg him at a little more than Danny Green money. Another good comparison is Delly. I think he got a 14 mill per deal with Milwaukee and that could very well be his range but I would expect some king of discount. And believe me I think after losing Manu, potentially, I think it is vital that we keep him for the bench. Maybe you even pay him market value so that you could trade him if need be and not feel like you did him wrong. I see Him, Murray, new wing, Bertans/Lee, and Dedmon as the bench for next year. Verdict: Make it happen!

As a side note, I'm not happy with Simmons and Anderson as our 2/3 wings. I'd like to see an upgrade there. Maybe draft...

I think those are the right ranges. I don't think we will know what we do with those guys until we see how we do in the playoffs this year. If we get knocked out in the 2nd round again I could see us trading LMA and letting a couple of those guys go and reboot.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I can't see how the Spurs get close to $10mil in cap space for Dedmon if Pau opts in. They'll have $90mil on only 8 players - LMA, Kawhi, Pau, Parker, Green, Anderson, Murray, Bertans. Then Patty's cap hold of around $7 mil. Simmons's cap hold and also the first round pick if they keep him and roster charges.

Dedmon for MLE money of ~4/38 would be good value, but some team like Dallas would probably go for him with a bigger offer.

[TD 21]

This PG transition seems to me to be absolutely critical to the Spurs' future. Tony needs to pass the baton directly to Dijon, if Dijon is, indeed, the PG of the future. If Tony were to pass the baton to a guard who is already championship caliber (who is acquired via trade) you hope that PG would have a tenure that would outlast Dijon's current contract and his patience to be the PG-in-waiting. If the Spurs are in win-now mode and trade for a championship caliber PG, they might as well use Dijon in the trade.

I actually think the timing works out pretty well, as long as Tony can play at this level for one more year, and the Spurs can retain Patty, and Dijon develops quickly. Dijon would start next season as the 3rd PG, but wiith some force-feeding, he would replace Patty as the 2nd PG by season's end. The following season, Dijon would become #1, with Patty still serving as #2.

A lineup of Dijon, Danny, Kawhi, LMA and Deadman could be a very serious contender. I even like Patty as a shooting guard in a lineup with a long, defensive PG like Dijon: Dijon, Patty, Kawhi, LMA, Deadman.

They can't ''trade for a championship caliber PG'' because they don't have the assets. Murray, despite his high ceiling, isn't a good enough prospect to be the centerpiece of a package for a player of that caliber.

When you say "replace Patty as the 2nd PG by season's end", do you mean they'd play together (with Murray ostensibly playing PG on offense and SG on defense) or he'd altogether take his spot in the rotation? The latter isn't happening.

That lineup would have no chance at contending, unless Murray made a Leonard-esque leap.

[sasaint]

They can't ''trade for a championship caliber PG'' because they don't have the assets. Murray, despite his high ceiling, isn't a good enough prospect to be the centerpiece of a package for a player of that caliber.

When you say "replace Patty as the 2nd PG by season's end", do you mean they'd play together (with Murray ostensibly playing PG on offense and SG on defense) or he'd altogether take his spot in the rotation? The latter isn't happening.

That lineup would have no chance at contending, unless Murray made a Leonard-esque leap.

Nobody knows what kind of progress Murray will make. My post assumes that he will make big strides - though maybe not Leonard-esque. His recent play and the fact that Pop cut Nico leads me to believe he is making good progress - perhaps more in practice than we see. In that case I could see him taking some of Mills minutes, some of Manu's minutes - depending on opponents, rest, and Manu's health.

[DPG21920]

I would pay Patty (unless someone offers something really stupid) if the Spurs miss out on other FA targets. The main target should be a younger attacking guard that can actually get into the paint.

[MaNu4Tres]

I would pay Patty (unless someone offers something really stupid) if the Spurs miss out on other FA targets. The main target should be a younger attacking guard that can actually get into the paint.

They may already have that guy in Murray.

[TD 21]

Nobody knows what kind of progress Murray will make. My post assumes that he will make big strides - though maybe not Leonard-esque. His recent play and the fact that Pop cut Nico leads me to believe he is making good progress - perhaps more in practice than we see. In that case I could see him taking some of Mills minutes, some of Manu's minutes - depending on opponents, rest, and Manu's health.

It doesn't even matter how rapidly Murray develops; as long as Mills is around, he's getting his 20+ mpg and he's especially getting them if he's making $10M (or whatever number you think he'll get) next season.

[DPG21920]

They may already have that guy in Murray.

Very true - however, if they can get an established one they should absolutely do it. I would love Jrue Holiday although he's likely both out of the Spurs price range and I don't see NO letting him go.

George Hill as well, but he's fitting in nicely with UTA and if they go on a playoff run they probably pay Hill.

May end up with a shot at someone like Tyreke Evans where he has talent and skills that the Spurs need but his flaws/injuries allow him to be in the price range.

[sasaint]

It doesn't even matter how rapidly Murray develops; as long as Mills is around, he's getting his 20+ mpg and he's especially getting them if he's making $10M (or whatever number you think he'll get) next season.

Okay. I just said that I think Patty can be paired with Murray. (If both are retained beyond this season, I expect to see them together frequently.) I haven't worked out charts... The first thing that would have to take place is for Murray to develop to that near-miraculous level. Then divvy up minutes. One way that both will inevitably get minutes is in games when Tony or Manu are "resting" or one or the other is injured - or, frankly, when one or the other is just ineffective).By the end of this season, all of those will factor in more.

[bic50]

Pay Kyle Anderson the max.

[K...]

Pay Kyle Anderson the max.

patience. it will come.

[spursistan]

At this point, is there even question left if it comes down to Mills vs Dedmon? it may for PATFO, but the cold calculating logic leaves no argument here..Dedmon impact is much bigger then Patty, and hence he shall be the one paid .As you can see Dewayne has actually kept improving as the season went long.. he's become a better finisher with his hands and there are areas where he could improve more (the midrange is there to be polished by Chip)..

[TheDoctor]

patience. it will come.

Patience? Patience takes us nowhere fast... Yeah, that's Kyle.