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    It's all a guess. Simmons has some great parts to his game, but the whole game is inconsistent. He's good enough to get minutes during close games, but he's the ultimate X factor. One game he makes insanely good plays and the next, he's a turnover machine that can't buy a basket. He's just not reliable for 20 minutes every night, but he's played Anderson out of the rotation.

    Murray has some tools, but he's got no meat on his bones to take advantage of his best asset, driving to the rim. His jumper is suspect, and Joseph exposed his dribbling. At one point, Simmons had to take the ball up bc Murray couldn't handle Joseph's pressure. But I think you have to give rookies 3 years before you can pass judgment.
    Murray couldnt handle it because he was too fancy with it.

    Once he understands how simply it is to handle pressure by sheer fundamentals ( instead of behind the back crossovers), he'll be fine. Its an easy fix.

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    I need Murray to politely distance himself from Jamal Chuckford..That company doesn't bode well as far as developing sound basketball habits..

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    Probably because Manu was a prospect before Porker. They just developed him in Europe instead..But that's just too cute of a take, imo.

    You're still a prospect regardless if the team had about 5 years of evaluating and developing you in Europe.

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    Murray couldnt handle it because he was too fancy with it.

    Once he understands how simply it is to handle pressure by sheer fundamentals ( instead of behind the back crossovers), he'll be fine. Its an easy fix.
    I also think Corey got in there and out muscled him. Murray must put on significantly more weight to handle the strength of the NBA athlete.

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    Probably because Manu was a prospect before Porker. They just developed him in Europe instead..But that's just too cute of a take, imo.

    You're still a prospect regardless if the team had about 5 years of evaluating and developing you in Europe.
    Of course. You never know how a guy will adapt to the NBA. Under that reasoning Bertans shouldn't be considered a prospect either.

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    Simmons is like 59 years old. He already peaked..He's not going tl be a different player next year.

    Nomrally, great players continue to improve...but Role Players usually stop growing at a certain point in their career.a

    Simmons is a min-contract, undrafted nobody who is earning right at 19 minutes per game on one of the top teams in the league. How many other min-contract players are getting those kinds of minutes on, say, one of the top 4 teams in their conference? Or even on teams above .500? He's better than a lot of guys who are earning 5x as much or more (Corey Brewer earning over $7M in Houston.) If he doesn't improve at all, he's already way better than anyone could have expected. But he's better than he was last season. He's better than he was in SL and preseason.

    No, he's not going to develop into a star. But rosters aren't packed with stars from top to bottom. Every team needs guys like Simmons. Running him down because he's not going to be a starter is kind of pointless.

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    And im actually higher on Bertans than Simmons
    Hes so far down the depth chart they should just let him spend extended time in Austin

    Do you even know what a depth chart is? Simmons has played the 7th most minutes this season - 8th most minutes per game. (Manu has played fewer games, but more MPG.) So whether you like it or not, he's not that far down the depth chart. And he's WAY above Bertans in minutes.

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    Do you even know what a depth chart is? Simmons has played the 7th most minutes this season - 8th most minutes per game. (Manu has played fewer games, but more MPG.) So whether you like it or not, he's not that far down the depth chart. And he's WAY above Bertans in minutes.
    I think he was talking about Bertans, tbh.

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    Hoping Bertans and Murray can be rotation players next season.

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    Hoping Bertans and Murray can be rotation players next season.
    Bertans, Maybe...Murry most likely not.

    Murray's role is a tough role to cover for most 20-23 year olds..You won't find that many under 23 pgs that contribute positively.

    Bertans can be a role spacer as early as next year...heck even this year. He's probably going to play the same amount of minutes simmons is getting right now or at worse Anderson

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    I think he was talking about Bertans, tbh.

    Ah. Okay. Actually, Bertans in Austin might not be such a bad idea - especially if he's not going to get any real minutes. It sure looks like his confidence has taken a hit, and that's never good for a shooter. Actually, I wish the Spurs would give him some time at the 3, which is where we assumed he was meant to be.

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    Simmons is a min-contract, undrafted nobody who is earning right at 19 minutes per game on one of the top teams in the league. How many other min-contract players are getting those kinds of minutes on, say, one of the top 4 teams in their conference? Or even on teams above .500? He's better than a lot of guys who are earning 5x as much or more (Corey Brewer earning over $7M in Houston.) If he doesn't improve at all, he's already way better than anyone could have expected. But he's better than he was last season. He's better than he was in SL and preseason.

    No, he's not going to develop into a star. But rosters aren't packed with stars from top to bottom. Every team needs guys like Simmons. Running him down because he's not going to be a starter is kind of pointless.
    I get the appreciation for the star... those guys are amazing!! But roleplayers are important to the team and contribute as well, even with their flaws and its fine to root for those guys too.

    Simmons has indeed improved a lot. More than I thought and though he may taper off, he could still get better with some confidence shooting for example. We just don't know at what point he will have peaked bc he's older. I won't venture there. He has surprised me already and that's why I keep repeating his value will show in the postseason. I think he will come balling, frankly I am not to worried about him bc he's not dependent on the jumpshots as much, and yet he can't pass them up when open. We shall see. I wish him the best and I wasnt previously so hot about him last season... though I have never been a hater. (Guys just like to paint me in that spot bc they like to troll I guess and some are starving for attention I think). I don't think he will flame out.

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    Manu was like Splitter when he came over. Bertans, despite having been drafted five-and-a-half years ago, is still very much a prospect.

    Of course, I admit the distinction isn't all that easy to define. Like is Dedmon a prospect? I'm not sure.

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    Murray is 20 now. He's definitely shaky young or not. He can't handle real NBA pressure, which is why I liked the fact he competed against CoJo.
    Are you saying Davis is so far down the depth chart that they should send him to Austin?
    Cojo almost ruined that lil boys life last night lol
    Yes Davis is spending too much time on the bench in SA for my liking
    His minutes are super sketchy & almost Bonner-like
    When he gets in the game he seems competent but also uncomfortable
    Id think finding his shots and getting comfortable with where theyll come from are big for a shooter
    Let him go burn down the D League just for the reps even if it leaves SanAn thin


    Way too soon to write off Murray.
    Definitely not writing him off
    I love the pick and the idea of he can become over time
    Im just not as willing to give him a pass for just being young
    He left school to be a pro & im inclined to treat him more like one
    Hes got a of a lot to improve on
    Luckily hes got the tools, from what I hear hes got the drive and a load of resources in SanAn to get it done
    And ill be 1st in line to cheer him on when he does

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    Really excited about the future with these guys.

    With respect to Davis, I've been most surprised by the fact that he's not a defensive pushover. I also think the comparisons to Bonner aren't fair to him. I don't expect him to be a star or anything but certainly a rotation big or even a starter to the extent the Spurs go back to pace and space in the next iteration of this team.

    2019-2020 Spurs:

    Murray - young wing - Kawhi - Dominant post player - Bertans

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    The real issue here that all four players are cheap and improving. I like it when Pop plays KA and JS at the same time. You can tell the two know how to play with each other well after all the previous D-league time. The bench is looking better every day.

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    Hoping that Murray develops quickly enough to have him play alongside Kawhi when he enters his prime

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    Murray tries too hard to be a one on one star. Maybe it's just that he wants to impress or live up to the hype that he has so much potential--or maybe he's just a kid who won't pass the ball and let the game come to him. Too early and too few minutes to tell if he can adapt his mental faculties to the NBA game where most all the players have similar physical abilities, but most importantly know how to play the game.

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    Murray tries too hard to be a one on one star. Maybe it's just that he wants to impress or live up to the hype that he has so much potential--or maybe he's just a kid who won't pass the ball and let the game come to him. Too early and too few minutes to tell if he can adapt his mental faculties to the NBA game where most all the players have similar physical abilities, but most importantly know how to play the game.
    It's in his nature to play like that. On the one hand, I think it's great for him to have an aggressive mentality, on the other, he's not that effective yet at what he does that he can play like that in the NBA and be successful.

    He has played differently with the starters lately. He's been off the ball more and doesn't attempt so much aggressive kamikaze stuff. His steady play against Portland motivated Pop to release Nico. He's also flashed defensive potential plenty.

    However, for garbage time I think if you are Pop you want to develop the Kamikaze a bit... maybe I need to rename him from Dijon (a nickname someone else came up with on draft day from the pronunciation of his name.. to kamikaze, but we need to see kamikaze more when Pop can spare him.)... anyways Kamikaze needs to continue to develop that stuff which seems reckless/shaky/and like a carcrash waiting to happen bc he can turn it into a magnificent stunt when he perfects his technique...

    I hope you like metaphors. He's that young that the kamikaze can maybe turn into the something magnificent at some future point (or not... but he's young and has time to learn from Pop and his teammates).

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    I had hope for Anderson, but am a fan no more. I cringe everytime he gets the ball wide open at the three point line. He just won't shoot, and until he does, and makes some, he is an anchor to the offense.

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    The best we can hope out of Simmons is consistency.
    Anderson is not an NBA player.

    Bertans is a big who can shoot. Those fit in so well in today's NBA.
    Murray has potential but is a ball hog.

    IMHO

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    Really excited about the future with these guys.

    With respect to Davis, I've been most surprised by the fact that he's not a defensive pushover. I also think the comparisons to Bonner aren't fair to him. I don't expect him to be a star or anything but certainly a rotation big or even a starter to the extent the Spurs go back to pace and space in the next iteration of this team.

    2019-2020 Spurs:

    Murray - young wing - Kawhi - Dominant post player - Bertans
    When I said his min are sketchy & Bonner-like i dont mean his actual play
    Im talking about the low & inconsistent number of minutes hes given
    I like the way he plays when he gets the mins tho
    As said before im higher on him than Simmons and tbqh Murray as well

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    Doesn't take a lot for a talented player to show what he got..

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