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    The project would not have been possible without the generous support and cooperation of the following organizations.



    https://www.electoralintegrityproject.com/partners/

    Soros-funded... what a surprise.
    I notice that you still failed to address anything in the report.

    Why is that?

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    Public policy should be based on reality, facts and evidence.
    however that may be, how policy is packaged and sold to the public -- and how it makes people feel -- is very important too.

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    I am not a "social justice warrior" by any reasonable definition of the term, sorry.

    What I find funny is the naivete' buried in your statement. "tired of failed Leftist policies of lies", as if the uninformed masses that get their news from twitter and propaganda arms like Fox can distinguish between fact and fiction, and the truth actually matters. the truth just doesn't matter to the right, arguably, PROVABLY, so.

    Our country is barraged with some pretty well financed propaganda campaigns that set the tone of debates. "death tax" over "estate tax", "job creators" over "wealthy". This is obvious as all get out, except for people like you, who go back for seconds on the cool-aid.

    Occasionally, the right does realize that left policies work, after they have been beaten over the head with reality. Things like scrapping mandatory sentences, needle exchange programs, and so forth.

    As someone with a finance/economics background, I am fully aware of how policies like protectionist trade agendas are bad overall. It is bad when Dems do it to protect unions, it is bad when Republicans do it, 'cause Trump said so.

    Public policy should be based on reality, facts and evidence. The problem with "conservative" ideas is that they aren't. The free market leads to everybody worse off, with out some solid rules. Unquestioning faith in that is what plutocrats want, since they are the prime beneficiaries of such policies and beliefs. If you think the billionaires of this world, by and large, give a about struggling families, let alone understand them, that is laughable.

    You didn't respond with anything of substance. You just flipped my rhetoric to fit your partisan beliefs. You guys are so arrogant in the belief you are correct because you just disagree with "conservative ideas" and refuse to acknowledge that the same stuff you accuse the Right of doing has been done and is being done on the Left. Again, your partisanship is blinding you from being objective here.

    And I agree, billionaires don't give a . George Soros and Obama's billionaire friends in the banking, real estate and big Pharma don't give a to struggling families the way that any conservative President's billionaire friends did. It's YOUR refusal and hardcore partisan bias is what makes you laughable. You've said nothing more than what has accounted to "I'm a Lef st, you're a Repub, I'm right, you're wrong because I'm a Leftist and you're a Repub." That is the gist of it.

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    Liberal score card. What else would you expect, but more fake news.

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    Lol literally

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    I notice that you still failed to address anything in the report.

    Why is that?
    The propaganda rag being passed off as a report is too biased to be worth addressing.

    Do you actually believe that any U.S. state is equally as undemocratic as third-world dictatorships?

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    what's happening in NC isn't the end of democracy, but it is a blind alley. dukes up!

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    Trash's "I won the popular vote if it were not for Ms of illegal voters" lie, gives NC and other red/slave states "justification" to disenfranchise even more severely.

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    The propaganda rag being passed off as a report is too biased to be worth addressing.

    Do you actually believe that any U.S. state is equally as undemocratic as third-world dictatorships?
    Who cares about belief? Are you some dullard that pigheadedly holds onto your beliefs no matter what?

    Wait nm. It's you.

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    North Carolina Governor Ignores GOP, Moves to Expand Medicaid


    North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper (D) wants to join the 31 states that have expanded Medicaid access,

    while GOP legislators vowed to fight efforts to make health care available to people with low incomes.

    https://rewire.news/article/2017/01/...ality+Check%29



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    Who cares about belief? Are you some dullard that pigheadedly holds onto your beliefs no matter what?

    Wait nm. It's you.
    Lame deflection, even by your low standards.

    Do you or do you not agree with the study's assertion that North Carolina is as equally undemocratic as third-world dictatorships like Cuba?

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    Lame deflection, even by your low standards.

    Do you or do you not agree with the study's assertion that North Carolina is as equally undemocratic as third-world dictatorships like Cuba?
    You aren't even arguing anything specific. You are resorting to incredulousness.

    I think they make a compelling case. Specifically, I have zero doubt that NC is gerrymandered to the hilt, attempts to implement Jim Crow style laws to disenfranchise the opposition, has a plethora of single candidate elections, that:

    First, legislative power does not depend on the votes of the people. One party wins just half the votes but 100 percent of the power. The GOP has a huge legislative majority giving it absolute veto-proof control with that tiny advantage in the popular vote. The other party wins just a handful of votes less and 0 percent of the legislative power. This is above and beyond the way in which state legislators are detached from democratic accountability as a result of the rigged district boundaries. They are beholden to their party bosses, not the voters. Seventy-six of the 170 (45 percent) in bent state legislators were not even opposed by the other party in the general election.
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    that they gutted the executive branch destroying the balance of powers, or that they try to play thought police by preventing government agencies to use terms like 'sea level rise.'

    If you want to make a compelling case how banana republics are somehow less democratic then I would love to read about it. We both know you are incapable of making an intelligent argument for that position though. Now go back to your insults and emojis to try and prop yourself up.

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    After Protesters Shout At McCrory, NC Lawmaker Wants To Make It A Crime




    After video posted on Facebook Friday showed a group of people in Washington, D.C. shouting at former North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory (R), a GOP state legislator introduced legislation to make shouting at a former state official a crime.

    Republican state Sen. Dan Bishop, who proposed the bill, told the News and Observer that the legislation would

    "make it a crime to threaten, intimidate, or retaliate against a present or former North Carolina official in the course of, or on account of, the performance of his or her duties."

    Bishop said that offenders of his proposed statute should serve
    a prison sentence up to five years.

    In the video posted online Friday, a group of people shouted "shame on you" at McCrory as he walked through Washington, D.C., calling him "anti-gay" and a "bigot."

    Bishop, who was one of the sponsors of the anti-LGBT state law known as HB2, told the News and Observer that the crowd was a “a chanting mob” of “ubiquitous leftist rioters" and said that their actions were "dangerous."

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...+%28TPMNews%29

    ... more evidence that Repugs, esp slave staters, are profoundly anti-democratic, and hereby anti-American

    "dangerous" to less McCrory's ego




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    ^It's 1/2 as much as those rioters are facing from last Friday. They should count their blessings.

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    ^It's 1/2 as much as those rioters are facing from last Friday. They should count their blessings.
    Meh...It's DC...they will never get prosecuted.

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    Meh...It's DC...they will never get prosecuted.
    just like your racist and bigot friends who deface mosques and synagogues and aren't prosecuted, right?

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    just like your racist and bigot friends who deface mosques and synagogues and aren't prosecuted, right?
    Right.

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    SCOTUS struck down racial gerrymandering in NC districts. 5-3 decision with Kagan, Sotomayor, Breyer, and... Clarence Thomas who actually wrote a concurring opinion

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinion...-1262_db8e.pdf

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    SCOTUS struck down racial gerrymandering in NC districts. 5-3 decision with Kagan, Sotomayor, Breyer, and... Clarence Thomas who actually wrote a concurring opinion

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinion...-1262_db8e.pdf
    Quit voting in 90%+ blocks. Christ, have some gd conscience.

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    Quit voting in 90%+ blocks. Christ, have some gd conscience.
    Repugs, quit screwing the 99%, esp the poor.

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    Trash's budget and Repug House AHCA are MORE IRREFUTABLE PROOF that the myth of American democracy is dead and long gone. Further confirmation is what has happened and is happening in red/slave Repug states.

    America is an oligarchy that enables/protects/enriches itself, no matter who or what gets screwed.


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    The propaganda rag being passed off as a report is too biased to be worth addressing.

    Do you actually believe that any U.S. state is equally as undemocratic as third-world dictatorships?
    If it is really that biased and propaganda, then it should be easy to debunk, a slam dunk.

    What about the report did you find most inaccurate?

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    Lame deflection, even by your low standards.

    Do you or do you not agree with the study's assertion that North Carolina is as equally undemocratic as third-world dictatorships like Cuba?
    RALEIGH, N.C. – As the recount of votes in the November election continues in the Tar Heel State, a report from the Ins ute for Southern Studies has found that gerrymandering continues to impact the outcome of North Carolina's state and national races.

    In the recent election, Democrats comprised 47 percent of voters, but only 23 percent of elected seats. The analysis was prepared by the Ins ute for Southern Studies.
    http://www.publicnewsservice.org/201...sults/a55016-1

    I would say that makes a pretty compelling case that the state is moving in that direction.

    When the party in power has to start cheating to stay in power... that erodes the rule of law.

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    Earlier this year, a nonpartisan panel of retired North Carolina justices and judges released a suggested congressional map for North Carolina to demonstrate how redistricting might work. The panel created 13 districts based on geography only, without regard to party affiliation.

    If put in place, it is estimated that six of those districts would be Republican, four Democrat and three would be in play. Currently, there are 10 Republican districts in the state.

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