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  1. #501
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    Debates are more valuable when they're backed by data. Otherwise it's all hypothetical and philosophical bull .
    I agree debates are better when a point is proven, however I don't agree that laws need to be changed and personal information needs to be taken to make your debate experience more rewarding.

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    It could also measure effectiveness and ineffectiveness of various regulations. Maybe states do away with the lol uncons utional CHL when data shows it doesn't help

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    It could also measure effectiveness and ineffectiveness of various regulations. Maybe states do away with the lol uncons utional CHL when data shows it doesn't help
    What would be cool would be if the state or federal government would force IPs to reveal the names, addresses and other personal information of every poster on every forum to the rest of the world, along with the content of all their posts. That would make us safer since it seems all these pissed off mass shooters posted about it beforehand.

    You like?

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    Gonna need 'em more now than ever after this poor re was sliced and gang beaten by four racist black sadists. In Chicago.

    Just read the entire CNN a article. Not once do they mention these sick s were black like they do on their hachet jobs and sensationalist pieces when white trash beats up a black. LOLiberal media.

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    I agree debates are better when a point is proven, however I don't agree that laws need to be changed and personal information needs to be taken to make your debate experience more rewarding.
    It's not about rewarding me, it's about real effects on real policy. We also have a law preventing federal funding of research on gun violence. How is that not su ious?

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    It's not about rewarding me, it's about real effects on real policy. We also have a law preventing federal funding of research on gun violence. How is that not su ious?
    Research on all violence is fine, why single out gun related violence unless the desired outcome is to enact gun control legislation? The gun control crowd brought this upon themselves a few decades ago by trying to use federal funding to the CDC as a lever for gun control.

    What question are you asking? "Do we need tighter gun control laws?"

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    Research on all violence is fine, why single out gun related violence unless the desired outcome is to enact gun control legislation?
    Even a research initiative on all violence would be prevented from studying gun-specific violence as a part of that study. That's ludicrous.

    The gun control crowd brought this upon themselves a few decades ago by trying to use federal funding to the CDC as a lever for gun control.

    What question are you asking? "Do we need tighter gun control laws?"
    Banning funded research presumes the conclusion will be "yes." Why is that?

    If gun control laws actually made us less safe, gun control opponents would also have more data and opportunity to make that case.

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    "If gun control laws actually made us less safe"

    depends on the gun control regs.

    I, and most gun control advocates, don't want to stop legit, validated owners, but only get guns out of the hands of criminals and non-validated.

    However, even legit gun owners would be required to register all the SERIALIZED guns, buy and prove insurance (like car insurance), and pay and prove an annual registration fee (just like cars)

    anti-Cons utional "undue burden"?

    it, there is already an "undue burden" on non-gun-owning citizens who have to $10Bs for crimes and gun violence costs.



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    Only one of those women shoots guns.

    And lol @ boutons jumping back in this thread pretending he never claimed more guns=more gun violence.

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    Armed for 2017: New State Gun Laws Shrink 'Gun-Free Zones,' Expand Access to Concealed Carry Without Training or Permit

    Although fatal shootings are already a more common cause of death in Missouri than car accidents, a new law allows anyone 19 or older who owns a gun to carry it in public, concealed, without getting training or a permit.

    “This law would allow anybody to go get a gun, carry it, and never have to fire the weapon until they think it’s necessary to use it, without any education whatsoever,”

    Missouri now joins Idaho, West Virginia and Mississippi as one of four states to adopt “permitless carry” in 2016, bringing the total number of U.S. states to 12.

    , the law also expands the state’s castle doctrine and creates a controversial stand-your-ground right. The new law no longer requires people to attempt to back away from trouble in public, as in a tavern parking lot, before using deadly force if there is fear of bodily harm.

    Over in Ohio, Republican Gov. John Kasich signed into law a new measure that allows service members to carry a concealed weapon without a permit, and shrinks gun free zones in the state.

    The new law allows concealed carry permit holders to bring firearms inside school safety zones as long as the guns are in their vehicles. That means that gun-owners in Ohio can legally carry hidden, loaded handguns near daycare centers and on some college and university campuses.

    “Governor Kasich ignored the concerns of law enforcement, business leaders, gun violence survivors, moms, daycare providers, campus stakeholders and students,”

    http://www.alternet.org/right-wing/a...-carry-without

    you people are ing sick

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    Armed for 2017: New State Gun Laws Shrink 'Gun-Free Zones,' Expand Access to Concealed Carry Without Training or Permit

    Although fatal shootings are already a more common cause of death in Missouri than car accidents, a new law allows anyone 19 or older who owns a gun to carry it in public, concealed, without getting training or a permit.

    “This law would allow anybody to go get a gun, carry it, and never have to fire the weapon until they think it’s necessary to use it, without any education whatsoever,”

    Missouri now joins Idaho, West Virginia and Mississippi as one of four states to adopt “permitless carry” in 2016, bringing the total number of U.S. states to 12.

    , the law also expands the state’s castle doctrine and creates a controversial stand-your-ground right. The new law no longer requires people to attempt to back away from trouble in public, as in a tavern parking lot, before using deadly force if there is fear of bodily harm.

    Over in Ohio, Republican Gov. John Kasich signed into law a new measure that allows service members to carry a concealed weapon without a permit, and shrinks gun free zones in the state.

    The new law allows concealed carry permit holders to bring firearms inside school safety zones as long as the guns are in their vehicles. That means that gun-owners in Ohio can legally carry hidden, loaded handguns near daycare centers and on some college and university campuses.

    “Governor Kasich ignored the concerns of law enforcement, business leaders, gun violence survivors, moms, daycare providers, campus stakeholders and students,”

    http://www.alternet.org/right-wing/a...-carry-without

    you people are ing sick
    Statistically, delusional white loners are most likely to go off on people with guns. That'd be YOU, YOU sick .

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    [QUOTE=boutons_deux;8851316]anti-Cons utional "undue burden"?

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    lol

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    more guns=more gun violence
    please explain

    1993-2011
    Total guns purchased +56%
    Total gun homicides -39%

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    please explain

    1993-2011
    Total guns purchased +56%
    Total gun homicides -39%
    please compare USA gun violence, homicides with any other industrial country.

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    Even a research initiative on all violence would be prevented from studying gun-specific violence as a part of that study. That's ludicrous.
    That doesn't make any sense. Studying all violence doesn't suddenly become "gun-specific". It's a contradiction in terms. Where do you think the data comes from for gun related deaths and violence, someone's asshole?
    Banning funded research presumes the conclusion will be "yes." Why is that?
    Because that's what the researcher is paid to find.

    Besides, funded research isn't banned. Taxpayer funded research is. Are we going to pay to find out how Noah's ark got atop whatever mountain? Or pay to find out which religion is more true?
    If gun control laws actually made us less safe, gun control opponents would also have more data and opportunity to make that case.
    Or the 2nd Amendment. Do you feel unsafe?
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    please compare USA gun violence, homicides with any other industrial country.
    That's not how these things work. There are more guns now and less violence now than when there were more guns. It doesn't matter what happened in another situation in another culture with different borders and different governments and different people and different histories. It matters what happens here, unless you're proposing that we somehow make the US become another country. Your solution would be to do something here, and if the effect was still not on par with some other country, you'd say "but look at how the numbers improved in the US" you cherry picking re ed .

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    please compare USA gun violence, homicides with any other industrial country.
    The USA had added more guns and seen a reduction in gun violence. Please explain.

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    Conservative concealed carry activist who called for firearms on campus gunned down

    http://usuncut.com/news/concealed-ca...t-gunned-down/



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    The USA had added more guns and seen a reduction in gun violence. Please explain.
    Demographic trends. Per capita much fewer "at-risk" people (between 14-28 of age.) Also goes to explain the generation long decline in violent crime.

    How would you explain it?

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    Demographic trends. Per capita much fewer "at-risk" people (between 14-28 of age.) Also goes to explain the generation long decline in violent crime.

    How would you explain it?
    That doesn't apply to boutons claim more guns=more gun violence

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    Florida householder fatally shoots woman searching for dog




    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38586215

    one more gun meant more fatal gun violence.


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    Florida householder fatally shoots woman searching for dog




    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38586215

    one more gun meant more fatal gun violence.

    You ain't gettin' the guns, daddy. No in' way. Uh, uh. Nope.

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    http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/ari...28691268-story

    Tenopah, Ariz. - An Arizona state trooper stopped to help at a car wreck along a remote highway Thursday when he was shot and wounded in an ambush by a man who was bashing the officer's head against the pavement until a passing driver shot him to death, authorities say.

    "My trooper would not be alive without his assistance"

    one more gun, one more officer alive today

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    GOP Introduces Perhaps Most Absurd Pro-Gun Law Yet

    The GOP has just risen to a whole new level of crazy. Last week, it introduced the Duncan-CarterHearing Protection Act of 2017, sponsored by Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-SC) and Rep. John Carter (R-TX).

    The bill removes gun silencers from the scope of the National Firearms Act of 1934, and refunds the $200 transfer tax to applicants who purchased them after October 22, 2015.

    Yes, we’re talking about gun silencers, or “suppressors” as they are euphemistically known in the industry.

    You know – those things that assassins snap on the ends of their pistols in action movies to look all slick and cold-blooded.

    Apparently, the logic is that the world would be a much safer place if silencers were more readily available to the average consumer. Sure.

    http://lawnewz.com/opinion/gop-intro...d-gun-law-yet/



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