Give Davis Bertans all of Kyles minutes

[BillMc]

I really don't know for next season obviously but the arrival of Davis has pushed Kyle to play as a wing sucking or not..

For Davis, it's a legit discussion if he should play more ... Fine the debate with Kyle... but how about the discussion about others... it's otherwise not a real discussion as he's a big for Pop.

That's a valid point. And lost in the Kyle bashing is his d has been vert solid of late. But Lee has been playing really well too. And Lee's more consistent than Davis or Dedmon. Frankly, its a good problem to have for PATFO.

[apalisoc_9]

But Bertans is early the better option at the 4...lol

Ofcourse, but you need muliple players to play that position. If Lee and Gasol opts out..the big rotation becomes really thin. There is so much question mark for next season. That's the reason why they are keeping kyle...

Not to mention if they do sign him, he's going to be crazy cheap. Likely less than 4 a year..

[bklynspursfan]

Matt Boner 2.0

Bonner really improved, and became a very serviceable post defender. People love to hate on him, but the guy worked his ass off. He added that little mini hook, and got stronger/better defensively. For Anderson, he's gotta add the 3 point shot to his arsenal. Matty continued to work on his game and was always ready when called upon

[BillMc]

Yea that's pretty much what I said too. This thread ( le at least) is kinda irrelevant at this point.

Bertans is a big, but he and Lee are completely different types of bigs. Lee & Dedmon are guys who just kill on the boards and looseballs. They do all the dirty work together, and Lee is a tremendous passer/post player/finisher around the paint. Bertans is obviously a stretch 4 who can take you off the dribble and finish around the rim as we saw. Bertans is probably a SG in a PF's body.

Overall, Bertans does deserve more minutes. I do hope Pop at least entertains playing him at the 3 sometimes. As I said there will be nights where his shooting is needed, so he'll get more minutes. Whether that's at Lee's or Dedmon's expense (If Pop plays Lee @ the 5 for w/e reason) then so be it. It's tough to find guys minutes, but tbh it's a good problem to have. And it's tough to argue with the team's success thus far too

Said it a lot better than I did. This.

[BillMc]

I know but in the kidding sense... if you boot Kyle you hardly get more minutes for Davis... that's mostly the point...

I was just kidding. Kyle's d has improved so much he still has a role. And while I agree with you that Kyle and Davis shouldn't be in compe ion for minutes, it sure seems like often when one plays the other doesn't

[MaNu4Tres]

Bertans has the skillset to play the 3 or 4. He played the 3 a lot overseas.

He's a versatile player that has yet to play the 3, but he certainly has the ability and skill set to play the position. Those who can't see that are blind.

[SAGirl]

That's a valid point. And lost in the Kyle bashing is his d has been vert solid of late. But Lee has been playing really well too. And Lee's more consistent than Davis or Dedmon. Frankly, its a good problem to have for PATFO.

Guys are going to make it about one vs the other but really to me the guy blocking Davis minutes is Lee... It's easy to see there's no doghouse or anything of the sort... Lee was healthy and when he is Davis doesn't play much... The teams strenght is actually their frontcourt... And Davis definitely needs to be shooting (I didn't think he passed up shots b4 personally but guys don't always look for him the same... etc. I really didn't think he was in the doghouse...

[SAGirl]

I was just kidding. Kyle's d has improved so much he still has a role. And while I agree with you that Kyle and Davis shouldn't be in compe ion for minutes, it sure seems like often when one plays the other doesn't

I don't think that's due to anything else than who is injured or out...

[TimDunkem]

Bertans has the skillset to play the 3 or 4. He played the 3 a lot overseas.

He's a versatile player that has yet to play the 3, but he certainly has the ability and skill set to play the position. Those who can't see that are blind.

Agreed. People like SAG are now trying to say that it's Lee taking his minutes but Bertans is a versatile, utility player. The kind of player we hoped Kyle would be. Davis makes him redundant at any position.

[100%duncan]

Bertans has the skillset to play the 3 or 4. He played the 3 a lot overseas.

He's a versatile player that has yet to play the 3, but he certainly has the ability and skill set to play the position. Those who can't see that are blind.

Bertans can play against bench wings thats for sure. So basically he's a better option than head on sf and pf, gasol will still be here next year, Bertans should be the main back up and Anderson should not be in the nba

[SAGirl]

Yea that's pretty much what I said too. This thread ( le at least) is kinda irrelevant at this point.

Bertans is a big, but he and Lee are completely different types of bigs. Lee & Dedmon are guys who just kill on the boards and looseballs. They do all the dirty work together, and Lee is a tremendous passer/post player/finisher around the paint. Bertans is obviously a stretch 4 who can take you off the dribble and finish around the rim as we saw. Bertans is probably a SG in a PF's body.

Overall, Bertans does deserve more minutes. I do hope Pop at least entertains playing him at the 3 sometimes. As I said there will be nights where his shooting is needed, so he'll get more minutes. Whether that's at Lee's or Dedmon's expense (If Pop plays Lee @ the 5 for w/e reason) then so be it. It's tough to find guys minutes, but tbh it's a good problem to have. And it's tough to argue with the team's success thus far too

Good points... I'd like to bump this when Davis all of a sudden again isn't playing much. And predictably there is drama here

[Mikeanaro]

Kyle will be a Spur for a long time because 1) he knows the system, 2) he has "potential" due to his youth 3) he seems like a good teammate 4) he has gotten over himself and 5)he'll probably be cheap.

We're ed

He has been playing only 1 season and a half I dont think he is an authority on Spurs system.

[RD2191]

I've probably stated otherwise before but I somehow still believe Fathead has the potential to be a very decent bench player for the spurs.

[bklynspursfan]

Good points... I'd like to bump this when Davis all of a sudden again isn't playing much. And predictably there is drama here

there surely will be. and frankly, it's not like Pop and many other coaches haven't done this with rooks before. Whether people agree or not, it's not uncommon.

And like I always say, we don't know what goes on in practices and what not, picking up on terminology, etc... We're only ~3 months in. Lots can change

[Mr. Body]

Bertans busting out has no impact on whether Anderson will be a decent player or not. It just means Bertams deserves to see more time.

[T Park]

Bertans busting out has no impact on whether Anderson will be a decent player or not. It just means Bertams deserves to see more time.

100%

There HAS to be more minutes for him. Simmons doesnt NEED to be the primary wing off the bench.

[hsxvvd]

I'd rather play small at the 3 with the guards we have than have Kyle as the backup 3. He's that bad.

I'd rather play 4 on 5.

[Spurtacular]

absolutely. As others have said though Anderson seems like Pops new Bonner. So we will see.

Ironically, not the tall, white, dorky redhead who shoots threes.

[AFMadison]

What about Lee minutes TBH...

Lee is valuable to the team imo

[r0drig0lac]

Bertans is an original SF

[CGD]

I think it's already happening tbh. He's eating kyle's lunch.

[cjw]

Bertans is an original SF

Said in postgame last night he grew up as a backcourt guy. Wonder when he had his growth spurt.

[wildbill2u]

The trouble with this thread is too many folks are busy looking at individuals instead of team. Trees instead of forrest. I think Pop is either starting or homing in on a new trend in the NBA--or maybe just following the examples of players who were so versatile they could play at many different positions (Magic, Duncan, etc) rather than being pidgeon-holed into the traditional roles of center, SG, PG, SF and PF.

I could see Pop playing a bench rotation of Kyle, Dedmon, Bertans, Simmons, Patty. Or Bertans, Lee, Dedmon, Patty, Murray (hopefully someday). Pop can play around with different lineups using all these guys For the past few years it seemed that one of the strengths of the Spurs was the ability of the bench players to beat the out of the opposition bench and individuals blend in seamlessly to play with the starters when necessary. If he needs bigs who can battle for rebounds, he's got Dedmona and Lee to throw in the game. Shooting and spacing? Betans and Patty are terrific when on.

So my take is that it's pointless to argue miniscule differences between the abilities of players. It's how they blend into a winning team that counts. And Pop is a master of picking the ingredients to put into the mix.

[TimDunkem]

Kyle doesn't belong on a winning team. He's a waste of roster space.

[wildbill2u]

Kyle doesn't belong on a winning team. He's a waste of roster space.

Well, as a BB expert, you can certainly argue that point. I can see his flaws as well, but so far the judgement of the coaching staff is that he is worth some minutes on a winning team. That doesn't mean he will be taking the roster spot forever, but they are OK with him this season.