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He should have won whatever year it was they gave it to the rapist, thats for sure. I am sure there is other years he should have won as well.
I remeber TD aknowledging Lebron being the best player in the world after 07...
Should he have won 2011-2012 MVP and some other years?
He should have won whatever year it was they gave it to the rapist, thats for sure. I am sure there is other years he should have won as well.
He did everything better than Kobe in 07-08, if I remember right, except 3P% and maybe FT%. I mean everything.
He won in 11-12. You're thinking 10-11, when Derrick Rose won. That was LeBron's first year with Miami, and his numbers weren't as good as the year before. But I have no doubt that I'd rather have him on a team than Rose that year (or any year). The really ridiculous thing was that LeBron wound up 3rd in the MVP, behind Dwight Howard.
I would have given it to him all 6 years, from 07-08 till 12-13.
Duncan was a lot better in 2007 than LBJ.
Choke-P3 actually led the league in win-shares & led the Hornets to a better record than the Cavs.He did everything better than Kobe in 07-08, if I remember right, except 3P% and maybe FT%. I mean everything.
That was Dwert's best season & he was better than Rose that season, tbh.
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He was, in fact, the more valuable player. You know that. I know that. But MVP votes are mostly determined by PTS and AST's. Duncan "only" put up 20 per game that year, and didn't receive a single first place vote. Shameful, really.
I dont know. Duncan himself said it was lebrons league in 2007...
People forget how ty that cavs team was...
By that time, Duncan was fully into "make other players better" mode. His numbers suffered, but at any given time, in any given game, he could just take over. I can't argue with how good LeBron was by that time. If I was trying to win a championship, I would have picked Tim over 'Bron, though. Because it was more complicated trying to build a winning team around LeBron, than around Tim. With Tim in the middle, everyone else became better. With LeBron, a lot of guys just had to get out of his way. That's the way I saw it, anyway.
But when it comes to MVP voting, there's no doubt. That was when LeBron became the best. I wouldn't even argue that point.
Probably in the 2007 ECF. I still can't believe he took that legendary 08 Celtics team to seven games by himself.
It's my recollection that it was in the ECF that year, when LBJ made the public perception "leap" when he scored something like 20+ straight and finished off that Detroit team who had dominated the East in mid-2000s. It was then he went from a rising prodigy to being in the conversation for best in the game. Or so I recall. Could be wrong.
Joe Johnson took those same Celtics to 7 & actually had a more EFFICIENT series.
LeBron wasn't that impressive (actually ABSOLUTELY abominable for the first 2 games) until Gm 7 where he got cucked by Pierce:
Gtfo tbh,Lebronze is a joke,been hiding out in the East avoiding any real compe ion, resting his sorry ass even then.Real warriors wanna do battle with the other best player's in the league on a constant basis,they thrive off that elite compe ion.
Seriously you gonna slob a player whose goto move is an offensive foul ?!? (His re ed bully back down to the basket on a smaller player) smdh
Johnson had quality NBA players around him. LeBron's starting backcourt was a legit bipolar homeless guy and the corpse of Wally Sczerzbiak's career. His starting 4 was Ben Wallace three years after playing his last meaningful minutes of basketball. All he had on that team was Ilgauskas after a bunch of foot surgeries. That team would be lucky to win 12 games if LeBron missed the season with injury.Joe Johnson took those same Celtics to 7 & actually had a more EFFICIENT series.
LeBron wasn't that impressive (actually ABSOLUTELY abominable for the first 2 games) until Gm 7 where he got cucked by Pierce:
bro, he just beat a 73 win team..
He's not hiding from anyone..
at least as early as 2009, probably earlier
'08 LeBron on the Hawks wouldn't have done any better than push the Celtics to 7 games.
The "legit bipolar homeless guy" actually outplayed Ray Allen in that series & carried LeBron in Gm 3.
If I remember correct, he (Tim) said, that this will be his (LeBron's) league soon.
Dwain Casey said something like that - "When he`s basketball intellingence catch up with freakish athletism, he became unstoppable"
Bogut doesn't go down and Warriors walk all over the Cavs sorry.Bogut was that good, Bogut was one of the few players who could neutralize Timmy D,plus that Finals record is ugly for s supposed great whose teams had the most highest/stacked payrolls after '07
Kyrie doesn't go down and the Cavs walk all over the Warriors in 2015.
Absolutely right. After the Spurs totally dismantled the Cavs in the Finals, Tim was nice enough to send LeBron a note telling him that it was going to be his league "in a little while". It was a gesture. He wasn't endorsing 'Bron as the best player in the league at that moment. He was trying to make him feel better about getting curb-stomped. But LeBron was one of the 3 best in the league.
Nowitzki won the MVP that year, because he was the best player on a team that won 67 games. Nash was second because... whatever. Numbers 3,4, and 5 were Kobe, Tim, and LeBron. Those were the three best players in the league.
For the record, the Spurs swept the '07 Finals because of defense. They held the series to something like an 83 Pace, and limited the Cavs to just over 80 PPG. Tim was a defensive BEAST that whole year, not just in the playoffs. Bowen was the best perimeter defender, but Tim ruled the paint. (LeBron was a respectable defender, but he clearly started paying more attention to it after that series.) The ONLY weak spot in Tim's game was that he shot around 63% from the FT line.
One thing the stats can never show is that by 06-07, everyone had concluded that the only way to defend Tim was to deny him the ball. He was wrestling and clawing for position on every play, and when the ball was on his side of the floor, it wasn't uncommon for them to slide another defender over and double him off the ball. That practice had a lot to do with his teammates getting wide open looks. And when he did get the ball in the post, he often waited for the double team so that he could pass out of it. Usually, though, it was the next pass that found someone totally open for a shot. If the NBA gave hockey assists, a lot of people might have more respect for just how valuable Tim really was.
MVP voting is always biased toward PPG, and most fans only notice the guys who dribble and shoot. But the best, most complete player in the league that year? I still say it was Tim. That's no slight to how good LeBron was by then.
The PUBLIC perception? Nope. LeBron was second in the MVP voting the previous season. You're clearly more perceptive than the "public", and that's just one more example. That series showed that he had the ability to dig deep and come through under pressure. Personally, I think he learned a lot from the Finals loss, and came back thinking more about team and defense the next year - because those are the things that made the Spurs better than the Cavs. It's a debate that can never be won, but for me it was 07-08 when he became the best player in the league.
BTW - it was 25 straight. And it would have been 29 if Gooden hadn't made one of two FT's. Massive talent. But Tim would have calmed his guys down and gotten them open shots, and he wouldn't have had to make 25 straight. TBH, IMO, IIRC.
Cheers man. Your memory is clearly a lot better than mine. I didn't realize he'd done so well in the MVP vote the year before.The PUBLIC perception? Nope. LeBron was second in the MVP voting the previous season. You're clearly more perceptive than the "public", and that's just one more example. That series showed that he had the ability to dig deep and come through under pressure. Personally, I think he learned a lot from the Finals loss, and came back thinking more about team and defense the next year - because those are the things that made the Spurs better than the Cavs. It's a debate that can never be won, but for me it was 07-08 when he became the best player in the league.
BTW - it was 25 straight. And it would have been 29 if Gooden hadn't made one of two FT's. Massive talent. But Tim would have calmed his guys down and gotten them open shots, and he wouldn't have had to make 25 straight. TBH, IMO, IIRC.
And your spot on about Timmy not needing to do 25 straig. And what LBJ learned in the Finals. No way he gets through the KG Celtics without first facing the fires of Timmy's Spurs.
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