Senate racing to confirm Trump nominees who haven't been vetted

[Winehole23]

Why be part of the problem, since we know the problem is largely perception based on propaganda?

It's not my fault team Trump was (and apparently still is) unprepared to nominate its own government. I'm not part of the problem for saying something entirely consistent with what Sen McConnell said in 2009: the incoming administration needs to dot its "i"s and cross its "t"s before due deliberation of the US Senate. The "petty procedural details" are not suddenly devoid of importance now that the GOP was won the election.

I disagree that voicing reasonable criticisms of the Trump transition or his current behavior cons utes a problem or denies him the chance to a job he will inevitably do, and anyway, his predecessor never received the benefit of a doubt, even if he didn't deserve it.

If you want respect, you can't just demand it when you think it's due, you also have to give it when it hurts, when you lost the election. The GOP and the Dems both fail miserably on this count.

[Winehole23]

I do my part here to defuse harebrained Democrats. I think I'm allowed a few criticisms of the other side, even if they make members of the tribe uncomfortable.

[DMC]

It's not my fault team Trump was (and apparently still is) unprepared to nominate its own government. I'm not part of the problem for saying something entirely consistent with what Sen McConnell said in 2009: the incoming administration needs to dot its "i"s and cross its "t"s before due deliberation of the US Senate. The "petty procedural details" are not suddenly devoid of importance now that the GOP was won the election.

I disagree that voicing reasonable criticisms of the Trump transition or his current behavior cons utes a problem or denies him the chance to a job he will inevitably do, and anyway, his predecessor never received the benefit of a doubt, even if he didn't deserve it.

If you want respect, you can't just demand it when you think it's due, you also have to give it when it hurts, when you lost the election. The GOP and the Dems both fail miserably on this count.

OK but can you link to your thread where you pointed it out in 2009 or before this one?

[DMC]

I do my part here to defuse harebrained Democrats. I think I'm allowed a few criticisms of the other side, even if they make members of the tribe uncomfortable.

Sure you are, but the pile on with anything you can find is evident, and if that's not your intent then you're caught up with the mob who's intent it certainly is.

[FromWayDowntown]

It is interesting that when pressed on these sorts of things, the "drain the swamp" guys go right back to the notion that this is just the way Washington works.

I get that we've now reached the point of saying that "drain the swamp" was more of a catchy thing to say to draw voters than an actual plan to deal with serious problems in Washington, but at a certain level, if you're going to insist that this guy was swept into office to "clean up" a broken governmental structure, resorting to "well, that's just the way things have been done around here" as a defense to criticism seems unprincipled.

[boutons_deux]

"drain the swamp" was more of a catchy thing to say

drop the euphemism, it was LIE by the fake-anti-establishment asshole to con his establishment-screwed voters.

[DMC]

It is interesting that when pressed on these sorts of things, the "drain the swamp" guys go right back to the notion that this is just the way Washington works.

I get that we've now reached the point of saying that "drain the swamp" was more of a catchy thing to say to draw voters than an actual plan to deal with serious problems in Washington, but at a certain level, if you're going to insist that this guy was swept into office to "clean up" a broken governmental structure, resorting to "well, that's just the way things have been done around here" as a defense to criticism seems unprincipled.

The liberal slant reminds me of those home improvement shows where the owners pop in now and again and criticize the progress of the build, while the before images of their home shows they never gave a about it. People become more vigilant with things other people are tasked with doing than in things they were tasked with doing.

You think Trump can change Washington before he becomes POTUS, as if the swamp filled overnight? He will change something, for better or worse. If you folks didn't believe that you'd not be running around like chicken little.

[CosmicCowboy]

It is interesting that when pressed on these sorts of things, the "drain the swamp" guys go right back to the notion that this is just the way Washington works.

I get that we've now reached the point of saying that "drain the swamp" was more of a catchy thing to say to draw voters than an actual plan to deal with serious problems in Washington, but at a certain level, if you're going to insist that this guy was swept into office to "clean up" a broken governmental structure, resorting to "well, that's just the way things have been done around here" as a defense to criticism seems unprincipled.

Exactly how is the new election of a President that hasn't even taken office yet supposed to magically change how politics in the Senate works?

[boutons_deux]

Exactly how is the new election of a President that hasn't even taken office yet supposed to magically change how politics in the Senate works?

It many ignorant asshols feeble minds, the President is some kind of omnipotent king, so why isn't Trash controlling his own party to drain the swamp?

Why has Trash HIMSELF named a cabinet and staff absolutely full of the worst swamp monsters?

[FromWayDowntown]

Exactly how is the new election of a President that hasn't even taken office yet supposed to magically change how politics in the Senate works?

He could say, "Hey look, I don't care what the precedent is, I want to ensure that my nominees are subjected to exacting ethical scrutiny before hearings begin" and encourage his nominees to fully submit to the vetting process. Nothing about not yet having been inaugurated prohibits him from insisting upon those things.

He will change something, for better or worse. If you folks didn't believe that you'd not be running around like chicken little.

I'm not running around like Chicken Little. Honestly, the one part of the Trump campaign that resonated with me was the idea that if he won he would strive to make meaningful ethical reforms in Washington. I'm hopeful that he will follow through on that, but he's done little with his early opportunities to actually move in that direction.

[boutons_deux]

"resonated with me was the idea that if he won he would strive to make meaningful ethical reforms in Washington."

Holy . You fell for that LIE from an unethical, tax cheating pussy grabber?

Trash enforcing ethics? Holeee sheeet.

[FromWayDowntown]

"resonated with me was the idea that if he won he would strive to make meaningful ethical reforms in Washington."

Holy . You fell for that LIE from an unethical, tax cheating pussy grabber?

Trash enforcing ethics? Holeee sheeet.

I'm not particularly taken by Trump's personal ethics. And it would be inaccurate to say that I "fell" for anything that Trump said; had I "fallen" for it, I would have voted for him. Frankly, I find him to be anathema to virtually every value that the Presidency should represent, without regard to the politics of the holder of that office. I can't say that my initial take on his "drain the swamp" position was particularly optimistic, and I'm now convinced that he never really intended it at all.