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Brogdon has been impressive. He's a more mature player...4 years older than Dejounte. It will be fun watching how Murray's player development progresses.
Brogdon and the Spurs seemed like the proverbial marriage made in heaven. I personally could not wait to root for a guy from my alma mater wearing a Spurs uniform. I was crushed when RC passed on him. If you're interested, I'll try to find the newspaper article and post it up here.
Brogdon has been impressive. He's a more mature player...4 years older than Dejounte. It will be fun watching how Murray's player development progresses.
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You a Wahoo?
Once upon a time :-) Like Roger Mason Jr. and Al Groh once upon a time.
Lol, I was there in the late seventies!
larry bird had paul george + kawhi leonard
In context, they had a pre-injury Danny Granger, who was an All Star, and PG, who was an up and comer. For themselves, they probably wouldn't have even drafted Kawhi in 2011. They were set on the wing.larry bird had paul george + kawhi leonard
I don't consider it as that bad a trade. The value was basically equal at the time, just that Kawhi fell into a fluke situation and is a fluke player and Bertans might pan out, too. It was a good trade for Indiana that turned relatively bad. As an opposite example, the Lakers trade for Pau Gasol was a terrible trade that turned out (by fluke) to be pretty good, in that his brother turned out to be very good.
These are very good points especially about the perceptions of the trades at the time. For the first 2 or 3 years Hill-Leonard was touted as an example of a "win-win" trade. That was when Indiana was playing well and getting to the ECF. Since Indiana has faltered and Kawhi's blossomed the perspective has changed naturally. And, your right, no one knew Marc would be so good. At the time everyone thought it was robbery and Jerry West doing a favor for his old team the Lakers, much like McHale gave the Celtics KG for practically nothing.
It's pretty funny to go back and read the initial reactions to the trade from the comfort of what we know now. It was a good trade for both sides at the time. The Spurs FO had vision, and they were pretty shrewd coming out of it with Bertans in the deal. But even Pop said that they were "scared less" when they finally pulled the trigger on the deal.
I found this in the pile of old posts from when Kawhi was drafted, and it made me smile. I can hear the man that would go on to star in so many HEB commercials:
Sorry, but I just re-read the first 10 pages of this thread and you were WAY off on basically all of your takes.It was very entertaining and very fun to read.
George Hill for the 15th pick in a draft is a no brainer, tbh. 99% of the time, you don't get a Kawhi that late in the draft. Chances are Pacers wouldn't have even drafted Leonard with that pick.
except they did
So was Chump an actual person, or was he just a role someone has to play like Pumpkinhead?
According to one article I read on Grantland, even before pick #11, the Spurs had already agreed to send George Hill to the Pacers for Indiana’s no. 15 pick, but only if a particular player or players were still on the board. The Pacers didn't even know which player the Spurs wanted at #15, at that point.
I thought about posting it, and decided not to get in the middle of that discussion, because I don't have a clue what they're talking about. (The ChumpDumper stuff.) Here it is: http://grantland.com/features/analyz...erence-finals/
They definitely didn't. But Bird apparently said that he loved Leonard and considered reneging like he had with George the previous season. Probably just retroactive back-patting, though.
I don't remember how it went. The Pacers traded Leonard for Hill after they drafted him? I thought the Spurs had traded for the pick before drafting Kawhi. Either way, Pacers could have pretty well drafted Kawhi under Spurs orders, tbh.
I don't see the Pacers drafting Kawhi with George and Granger on their roster.
According to the article, the Pacers wanted Hill, and were trying to make a deal with SA - but they didn't know which player the Spurs were holding out for. When it got to them, and Kawhi was still there, they thought about just picking him for themselves. But it says that they made a deal before the pick, they picked Kawhi, and the deal was announced before Kawhi could even make it to the stage.
Again - according to the article. I think it's probably right, but who knows?
The Spurs did miss out on a couple of guys in that draft. Taking Bertans with the traded pick was great, but retrospect thinking would have been Jimmy Butler instead of Cory Joseph and Isaiah Thomas instead of a very talented Adam Hanga.
Damn, almost an entire starting line-up in one draft.
Not related but speaking of drafting, I'm still pissed we missed Gobert by one slot a few years later. It would have solved soooo many problems long term.
It'll be great if you can find that article.
I agree it appeared to be a proverbial marriage made in heaven. And rare is a draftee who professes a desire to play for the Spurs. Perhaps PATFO were feeling the stigma of drafting another such Spursy type point guard who was supposed "slow" and "unathletic" but is long and has high BBIQ and an old man's game, after the 30th pick in the 2014 draft. It's almost like they didn't even check the guy out.
Brogdon's supposedly slow first step looked okay here:
And his lack of athleticism did not seem a hindrance in finishing this play:
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