It's not a ranking, it's DRPM, ORPM and RPM.
Kyrie and Lillard have a higher ORPM than Mills (which suggests they have a higher offensive impact), but they're a big negative DRPM (way worse defensively than Mills), hence why their RPM is lower than Mills.
I'd say it's a fair assumption. Mills is pretty much a 6th-man candidate this season.
TP is the only Spur among the starters with a negative RPM and the only Spur among the 10-man rotation negative in both ORPM and DRPM.
RPM
These players have a better DRPM than the defending back-to-back DPOY:
Kyle Anderson
Pau Gasol
David West
Salah Mejri
Zaza Pachulia
Kosta Koufus
Robert Covington
Cody Zeller
Nene Hilario
Kevin Love
Aron Baynes
Top-30 players according to RPM:
Zaza Pachulia
Cody Zeller
Lucas Noguiera
Patrick Patterson
Greg Monroe
Jae Crowder
Otto Porter Jr
George Hill
Trevor Ariza
Nikola Jokic
95% of "Advanced" statistics are a joke
Most adv stats ALONE are not really useful, But when you confront the eye-test with several other stats and they say the same thing, it probably means something. Sample size is also very important.
Kawhi is still among the elite defenders in the NBA, but I don't think it's unfair to say that his defense hasn't been good as it was last season or the season before. He took his offensive game to a new level, but unfortunately his defense took a hit, something that happened to other great defenders like Butler.
saying his defense is not as good as last year is one thing, seeing him below kyle anderson on defensive metrics is a all other thing
dabom posted some raw stats, the same that KA ahead of Kawhi on Defense, to justify the fact parker is the worst starting pg... he is being rightly so calling out on that
if you think KA is better than Kawhi on defense or that Napier, Beno and co are better than Parker then you are probably a re
It's only a portion. I can't use all the stats now.
I didn't wanna spend too much time.
You are perfectly right. You have to use eye test, total production, per minute production, impact, and role to determine a player. Tony is trash right now. 3 game sample size is nothing out of 30plus games.
That's why I said that sample size matters, along with the eye-test and other stats. KA plays 12 minutes/game, most of it against scrubs. You can't compare him with Leonard. At the same time, it's not an unfair assumption to say that Giannis is playing better defense that Kawhi THIS SEASON. Because the eye-test says so and when you check the stats they say the same thing and the guy is carrying a similar load on both ends.
Napier and Beno are obviously not better than TP, but when you take the 30 teams of the NBA and compare their starting PGs, saying that TP is among the worst is not something out of this world tbh. People shouldn't be so butthurt about the fact that Parker is washed up at this point of his career.
The ol' "I didn't have time to research but I'll still try to justify my argument" argument.It's only a portion. I can't use all the stats now.
I didn't wanna spend too much time.
nobody is butthurt tbh... All games ulated he is largely below average if by among the worst means in your mind below average he is, if your among the worst is to qualify bottom 5... well check your eyes... Then last 10 games or so he is far from being the worst
Just to avoid changing goal posts every 5 mn... all started with a poster calling out dabom for posting stats to back up the fact Parker is the worst, same stat showing KA being better than Kawhi. Point being you can find twist all stats you want to fit your agenda which you and him are doing. For the rest I called Parker washed up probably before you.
Finally I disagree on your stans about Kawhi regressing on defense or dude like giannis better than he is. Spurs are #1 on Defense and it is not because Parker and Gasol are elite on the defensive end... Spurs being still #1 after losing Duncan who was even at 40 y/o 10 times better on this end than Gasol and LMA is a nice achievement for MVP Kawhi.
A lot of fellows get butthurt too easily, especially your french fellow SASsomething. TP had nice a 5-game stretch, not doubt about it. I'm the first guy the praise him in the game thread when TP plays well. Check it. I just wish he could play like that for the rest of the season.
Not sure why you're saying I have an agenda. I've never created a thread criticizing Parker or any SA player EVER, even players that I hated like Richard Jefferson or S-Jax. I simply pointed out that the table was not a ranking. It was simply a ORPM/DRPM/RPM list.
And let's be honest here - Stats don't need to be twisted to show that TP is not very good anymore. (at least in a consistent basis).
As for Leonard, yes I think he is bellow his standards this season and compared to his DPOY seasons, he absolutely regressed. As for SA as the n1 defense, it has more to do with culture/team-defense than Leonard carrying the Spurs defense alone. Don't forget that SA wasn't even a top 10 defense 4/5 weeks ago. SA is getting better as the the season goes and every single player of the main rotation (other than Mills/Parker) is playing solid defense this season.
I don't see Leonard winning another DPOY this season at all. At this point, it's pretty much a race between Green and Gobert as both have more defensive impact THIS SEASON than Leonard.
Playoffs it's another story.
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Kawhi is the best defensive player in the league. No one can hold his jock strap tbh.
point taken
Yes and we all agree on this, it does not prevent us from saying you can twist stats or those stats are flawed because it is the case... when you use a stat to back up a claim you always have to check what the stat means, what the stat is showing and how the said stat is relevant for the argument you are trying to make. As you said, you don't need stats to show that TP is not very good anymore. Now if you go full stats show he is the worst you better check. Borders of not very good are quite wide open now the player x is the worst border is very narrow.
Again depends on your definition of below his standards, slightly below, way below etc etc... he has to work more on offense thus his defense is probably slightly less impactful than last year but I don't see that as a significant drop off tbh...
if not the best still among the best
I don't buy at all the theory that he regressed from last seasons, if it is the case it is slight stuff... Spurs are #1 on defense, SL is full of terrible to below average defender,,, yeah I don't believe in coincidence
Playing defense at a high level is incredibly draining. Asking Kawhi to be the focal point on both ends of the floor is asking a lot of him...too much in my opinion. The Spurs are better spreading the offense and letting Kawhi focus on his defense. He could probably average 30 ppg if he played defense like Durant does but that's not what the Spurs need him to do, defensively. He's a superior athlete, but he gets gassed trying to do it all, and maintain that defensive intensity throughout a game. Use him opportunistically on offense, and let him concentrate on his D and be dominant.
Not even the first or second best defender on the team
Check DRPM
You don't use one stat to assess a players worth on anything.
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