Russians claim to have dirt on Trump

[boutons_deux]

You are aware that started with Hillary supporters correct?

On Dec. 5, 2007, the online magazine Politico posted the text of an email that had been forwarded by Judy Rose, the volunteer chair of the Clinton campaign in Jones County Iowa on Nov. 21, 2007. The email was a quintessential smear that offered a distorted biography of Obama’s early years. Rose offered no commentary on it. She simply passed it along.

"Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim," the email said, and it ended with, "The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States , one of their own!!!!"

Rose, sent this to eight of her fellow Democrats.

One of them was Clinton campaign staffer Ryan Callanan who replied to the email on the same day in November.

"I’ve gotten this forward before," Callanan wrote. "It’s racist and ignorant. I can’t believe that people believe this stuff."

The public airing of the email brought a quick reaction from the Clinton campaign.

On Dec. 6, 2007, the Associated Press reported that Rose had resigned as chair of her county committee.

"There is no place in our campaign, or any campaign, for this kind of politics," Clinton campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle said.

"A volunteer county coordinator made the mistake of forwarding an outrageous and offensive chain e-mail. This was wholly unauthorized and we were totally unaware of it."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...on-connection/

Rose didn't write the letter. It was obviously written by You People. So, G F Y

But TSA LIES that "Clinton's people started it" absolves Repugs, Trash, right-wing hate media, KKK who ran with it for years, along with the Kenyan birther .

btw, I'll never heard a one of you Christian Taliban HATERS give a speech anywhere close to "Muslim" Obama's last night.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Yes, Pizza Boy, I'm aware that conservatives enjoy pushing that narrative.

Politico carrying that conservative conspiracy theory water

Later, in the spring 2008, as Clinton’s chances of winning the Democratic primary grew thin, some of her hardcore supporters circulated rumors that Obama may not be a U.S. citizen, picking up on some of Martin’s innuendo and extending it further.
“Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy. She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth,” read one of those emails posted, at the time, by Snopes.com, a site that attempts to debunk internet rumors


On Friday, Clinton’s former senior aide Patti Solis Doyle acknowledged that a volunteer coordinator in Iowa forwarded a birther-related email. “Hillary made the decision immediately let that person go,” she said. “We let that person go. It was so beyond the pale of the campaign Hillary wanted to run and that we as a staff wanted to run that I called David Plouffe who was managing Barack Obama to apologize to say this is not coming from us, that this was rogue volunteer.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...clinton-228304

[Reck]

Get him boots.

Human Toilet TSA getting his pushed in...again.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Get him boots.

Human Toilet TSA getting his pushed in...again.

cheering on boutons for posting an article that says Hillary supporters circulated rumors that Obama may not be US citizen
ting on yourself

[Chucho]

He's a thin skinned idiot.

And that makes the petulant little children throwing endless tantrums and shouting names at every turn?

Say what you will, but he has more in common with his opposition than you want to admit.

[Mitch]

Get him boots.

Human Toilet TSA getting his pushed in...again.

your ass probably would have fallen for the fake piss story as well, Reck. Lucky you weren't around to bite.

[TheSanityAnnex]

As PolitiFact and Fact-check.org both explain, there is absolutely no evidence that Clinton or her campaign were the source of the idea, though it did spread among some of her supporters during the 2008 primary contest between Clinton and Obama—which would only make sense, in terms of the timing of someone questioning whether someone were qualified for the presidency.

http://time.com/4496792/birther-rumor-started/

Get him boots.

[Reck]

cheering on boutons for posting an article that says Hillary supporters circulated rumors that Obama may not be US citizen
ting on yourself

Actually, giving boutons props for ting all over you. That's an occasion here.rolf

[Spurminator]

I get the feeling some of you would accept a President going on national TV and doing fart noises for two hours as long as you could go online and say "lol liberal tears."

[TheSanityAnnex]

Actually, giving boutons props for ting all over you. That's an occasion here.rolf

still doesn't realize boutons article supports my claim
still ting on yourself

[da_suns_fan]

You are aware that started with Hillary supporters correct?

Does it matter?

[Reck]

still doesn't realize boutons article supports my claim
still ting on yourself

No it doesn't, idiot.

"it spread among some Hillary supporters." Meaning it didn't take as a story of its own because of the few supporters.

Conservatives made it one because it suited their purposes.

Imagine you are part of 50 people who doesn't like a product and you go online to trash it. That doesn't become a story. It becomes one once an entire movement starts pedaling it.

[monosylab1k]

Politico carrying that conservative conspiracy theory water

Later, in the spring 2008, as Clinton’s chances of winning the Democratic primary grew thin, some of her hardcore supporters circulated rumors that Obama may not be a U.S. citizen, picking up on some of Martin’s innuendo and extending it further.
“Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy. She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth,” read one of those emails posted, at the time, by Snopes.com, a site that attempts to debunk internet rumors


On Friday, Clinton’s former senior aide Patti Solis Doyle acknowledged that a volunteer coordinator in Iowa forwarded a birther-related email. “Hillary made the decision immediately let that person go,” she said. “We let that person go. It was so beyond the pale of the campaign Hillary wanted to run and that we as a staff wanted to run that I called David Plouffe who was managing Barack Obama to apologize to say this is not coming from us, that this was rogue volunteer.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...clinton-228304

Yes, Pizza Boy, I'm aware of all of that. I'm also aware of the fact that conservatives soaked themselves up in that conspiracy like they were a Trump hotel bed.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Does it matter?

You didn't care about facts last night what's changed?

[TheSanityAnnex]

back on topic

Anyone heard if that entire 35 page dossier was bull or just the 4chan bit?

[TheSanityAnnex]

No it doesn't, idiot.

"it spread among some Hillary supporters." Meaning it didn't take as a story of its own because of the few supporters.

Conservatives made it one because it suited their purposes.

Imagine you are part of 50 people who doesn't like a product and you go online to trash it. That doesn't become a story. It becomes one once an entire movement starts pedaling it.

now you are supporting my claim

You are aware that [bstarted[/b] with Hillary supporters correct?

[boutons_deux]

one the best takes on #PissWatcher

A Few Thoughts On the Big Story

By JOSH MARSHALL PublishedJANUARY 10, 2017, 8:59 PM EDT

I wanted to take a moment to share some thoughts on today's Trump/Russia revelations, or rather some guideposts for how to approach a true mess of information which is undigested, wildly inflammatory and in many cases seemingly fantastical. Let me start by saying that this is the rawest kind of 'intel', if that is even the right word for it. I would caution everyone to maintain a sensible skepticism even if you rightly believe that Trump is a danger to the republic. So with that, a few thoughts.

1: I've seen various comments that this is a do ent prepared by someone who claims to be a former British intelligence officer. That's not right. If nothing else the CIA knows who served in the intelligence organization of a close ally. There's no reason to doubt that this former MI6 officer is just that and that he's someone who the US Intelligence Community has judged reliable in the past. That alone tells us pretty little. But I see no reason to doubt this specific piece of information.

2: The published reports say that the US Intelligence Community finds the former British intelligence officer credible and that they've spoken to or investigated some of his sources and also found them credible. I think what we should draw from that is that US intelligence personnel have looked at this and found that the sourcing wasn't obviously ridiculous, no red flags that would make them dismiss it out of hand. In other words, this is a very low threshold of credibility. This is nothing like the judgment multiple intelligence agencies have made about Russia being behind the hacking campaign. Just as clearly, no one in the US intelligence world has vouched for any of this being true.

3. What seems to be the case though - and this I take from a number of sources - is that various details in this do ent are being taken very seriously by the people who are paid to protect the country from foreign subversion, blackmail, cooptation, etc. That's worth knowing because there are certain claims in this do ent that strike me as highly exuberant and highly implausible. The overall tone of the do ent reads to me like a raw report in which solid information and highly questionable information is all piled in together. I say that not as anyone who has familiarity with intelligence work, simply as a journalist who has many times been shown opposition research, which is actually what this is.

4. The most salacious details in the do ent probably can't ever be confirmed or refuted. Mainly that doesn't matter though since they're really not relevant.

( would be confirmed with audio, video recordings from Pootin's people )

But the do ent is full of details that should be fairly straightforward to check. Hotel stays in specific hotels on specific or near specific dates by public figures. Those are bits of information that should be ascertainable - if not by journalists than certainly by law enforcement and certainly by the people who control the vast information vacuum created by American spy agencies. That seems like the most concrete thing to do.

5. Similarly, there are specific claims about internal conflicts within the Russian government - people who wanted more aggressive or less aggressive attacks on the US election process. Those are the kinds of details a US spy agency might well know. If what is claimed in the do ent matches what US spies know from human or signals intelligence that might be why American intelligence agencies are taking this report seriously.

6. Some people are saying that we shouldn't be looking at these news reports through the prism of the credibility of the do ent but rather the intelligence community's retaliation or warning to Trump. I don't think we can rule that out. But as much as we may dislike Trump,

intelligence agencies using the information they gather against an elected President is a very bad thing.

We shouldn't lose sight of that. Of course, we should also not expect our spy apparatus to cover for presidential wrongdoing or leave the country vulnerable to foreign subversion. Regardless this is extreme high-wire behavior for the whole country, whatever the underlying facts. It's bad from every different direction that we're here.

7. A lot of the information in this do ent matches up pretty well with cir stantial evidence about Trump's business dealings with Russian oligarchs and organized crime, and the leverage they have over him.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/...+%28TPMNews%29

The ONLY intervention by Trash's team in the Repug party platform was to tone down, remove anti-Russian stuff.

J E Hoover had his FBI agents dig dirt on 1000s of people, and used it to stay head of the FBI for 40 years, while living with a boyfriend.

If one of Pootin's people leaked the recordings not approved by Pootin, it would be suicide-by-Pootin, anywhere in the world.

[spurraider21]

like anything comes remotely ing close to "Obama Is A Muslim That Was Born In Kenya"

You are aware that started with Hillary supporters correct?

As PolitiFact and Fact-check.org both explain, there is absolutely no evidence that Clinton or her campaign were the source of the idea, though it did spread among some of her supporters during the 2008 primary contest between Clinton and Obama—which would only make sense, in terms of the timing of someone questioning whether someone were qualified for the presidency.

http://time.com/4496792/birther-rumor-started/

Get him boots.

[Splits]

back on topic

Anyone heard if that entire 35 page dossier was bull or just the 4chan bit?

I haven't heard/seen any of it as bull . McCain admitted he gave what sounds like the same dossier to the FBI:

“Late last year, I received sensitive information that has since been made public,” McCain said in a statement on Wednesday. “Upon examination of the contents, and unable to make a judgement about their accuracy, I delivered the information to the Director of the FBI. That has been the extent of my contact with the FBI or any other government agency regarding this issue.”

[Splits]

You obviously didn't read the first Buzzfeed story before it was revised.

Where is the revised story?

[TheSanityAnnex]

go sit with Reck in the corner

You are aware that started with Hillary supporters

though it did spread among some of her supporters during the 2008 primary contest

Later, in the spring 2008, as Clinton’s chances of winning the Democratic primary grew thin, some of her hardcore supporters circulated rumors that Obama may not be a U.S. citizen

[TheSanityAnnex]

I haven't heard/seen any of it as bull . McCain admitted he gave what sounds like the same dossier to the FBI:

“Late last year, I received sensitive information that has since been made public,” McCain said in a statement on Wednesday. “Upon examination of the contents, and unable to make a judgement about their accuracy, I delivered the information to the Director of the FBI. That has been the extent of my contact with the FBI or any other government agency regarding this issue.”

McCain needs to share who gave him the dossier. I'd love to see Rick Wilson hung up to dry.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Where is the revised story?

Just find the story on buzzfeed and you'll see revision notes up top. It's probably had more revisions/redactions since changed last night.

[spurraider21]

go sit with Reck in the corner

Started =/= spread

You made the claim they started it and your own link said there's no evidence to support that

[TheSanityAnnex]

You highlighted that neither Clinton nor her campaign were the source of the idea, I never claimed they were.