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yesterday's NBA.
2010-Present. The 3rd Golden Age of basketball.(Along with 1960s and 1980-1993 Era)
The Spurs teams past 5 years have way more talented rosters than Spurs championship teams during their 5 year run from 2003-2007. If you transport Spurs teams from 2012-2017 to 2003-2007, they win the same amount of championships, if not more.
Teams that knocked out Spurs recently
2012 Thunder- Westbrook Durant Harden Ibaka , daunting athletic ability.
2013 Heat- Peak Lebron, prime Bosh& Wade+ Allen and creative offense
2015 Clippers- Griffin Jordan CP3 sniper Red
2016 Thunder- Two monsters plus oversized skilled frontline. Possibly best OKC team.
Victims of cir stances. They ran into highly skilled superteams.
2003 Nets 2007 Cavs.
We may never win another le, but we're in the Golden Age of basketball. Enjoy it while it lasts, because around the corner might be another Blackhole. The Mikan Era, 70s basketball, talentless ISO 90s slugball.
2012 2013 2016 REFS
2015 POP
Well, when I think of a basketball golden age, I tend to think of a league with more than 3 championship worthy teams...
Really? When was that? Surely can't be the 90s or 80's.
05 suns, 04-05 pistons, 06-07 mavs, 08 celtics, 07-09 Lakers were as good or better than those teams. 05-07 Spurs would stomp 15-17 Spurs IMO2010-Present. The 3rd Golden Age of basketball.(Along with 1960s and 1980-1993 Era)
The Spurs teams past 5 years have way more talented rosters than Spurs championship teams during their 5 year run from 2003-2007. If you transport Spurs teams from 2012-2017 to 2003-2007, they win the same amount of championships, if not more.
Teams that knocked out Spurs recently
2012 Thunder- Westbrook Durant Harden Ibaka , daunting athletic ability.
2013 Heat- Peak Lebron, prime Bosh& Wade+ Allen and creative offense
2015 Clippers- Griffin Jordan CP3 sniper Red
2016 Thunder- Two monsters plus oversized skilled frontline. Possibly best OKC team.
Victims of cir stances. They ran into highly skilled superteams.
2003 Nets 2007 Cavs.
We may never win another le, but we're in the Golden Age of basketball. Enjoy it while it lasts, because around the corner might be another Blackhole. The Mikan Era, 70s basketball, talentless ISO 90s slugball.
the third golden age is the bronze age tbh
To be honest, I think prime Duncan, Tony, Manu, and Bowen with whoever at center would own this league today.
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2015 POP
2013 senseless choke
How is a Golden Era defined? Profits? Quality teams? Transcendental talent?
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I don't know. 2005 Spurs were incredible. Prime Manu Tony and Tim -- I gotta think that would be enough to completely dismantle most teams today.2010-Present. The 3rd Golden Age of basketball.(Along with 1960s and 1980-1993 Era)
The Spurs teams past 5 years have way more talented rosters than Spurs championship teams during their 5 year run from 2003-2007. If you transport Spurs teams from 2012-2017 to 2003-2007, they win the same amount of championships, if not more.
Teams that knocked out Spurs recently
2012 Thunder- Westbrook Durant Harden Ibaka , daunting athletic ability.
2013 Heat- Peak Lebron, prime Bosh& Wade+ Allen and creative offense
2015 Clippers- Griffin Jordan CP3 sniper Red
2016 Thunder- Two monsters plus oversized skilled frontline. Possibly best OKC team.
Victims of cir stances. They ran into highly skilled superteams.
2003 Nets 2007 Cavs.
We may never win another le, but we're in the Golden Age of basketball. Enjoy it while it lasts, because around the corner might be another Blackhole. The Mikan Era, 70s basketball, talentless ISO 90s slugball.
That said, some of their supporting case was
The PGs today on the whole aren't as good as we had in teh past. For every Westbrook, Curry, Kyrie and Lillard you have MCW, Dragic, Seth Curry, Ray Felton, aging Parker/DWill/Harris/Rose/CP3/Rondo and some basically average guys like Lowry, IT, etc.
I think the SFs will become PGs like Simmons, Giannis etc in the mold of LeBron and everyone will be 6'8" including the centers for awhile.
No more Isaiah (original), Stockton, Payton, Iverson etc 5'10"-6'2" guys will be great anymore besides Curry
CP3 is the only true PG in today's NBA
He is a flopping got, but he is good
So there weren't bad PGs in the 80s and 90s? What? I think you could make the argument that of all positions in the last 20 years, PGs have had the largest influx of talent. Maybe 2nd to the new hybrid SF but it's close.
Super rose tinted glasses to suggest that because there are still sub par starting 1s in this league that it's worse than it has been historically.
How so? You can hardly play defense anymore and teams are taking 30-40 3pt attempts per game.
It's an efficient shot. It takes skill to shoot well. It spreads the defense. Teams play way harder defense now than they did in the 80s and 90s, and defense in the 90s was made easy by hand-checking and offenses were terrible. Both were pretty ugly until the mid 2000s and even then there were only a few teams who had consistent systems.
Basketball has never been a sport of consistency. You're just now seeing teams that are consistent two-way squads and play for a full 48. Just in the past half decade or so. Compare that to football, where players on 3 win teams play hard for pride for the most part, or basketball, which embraced advanced analytics long before the NBA ever thought about doing it.
It's not a coincidence that efficient, complex offenses are on the rise at the same time in-depth stats started being taken seriously in the sport. For too long it's been about individuals and 1 on 1 play.
with handcheking the 3pt shot would not be as efficient
Perfect for James Harden's style. Personally, I think his style is not fun to watch.
And do you know why they took hand checking out?
Because defenses adapted and modernized. They began to develop complex systems to stop offenses. And so you had teams routinely scoring in the 70s in games. The NBA didn't like their offenses being humiliated on a nightly basis, so hand checking went out.
Hand checking is proof that the old defenses in the NBA were terrible, because they could use it and teams STILL scored 100+ points. Imagine someone like LeBron, Giannis, or Kawhi being able to hand check their opponents.Kawhi's man would be lucky to score 5 points in a game.
I agree but it's not due to the 3 point shot, is it? It's more because of the frequency with which he seeks contact.
on this point, I agree, however I would like to see more physicality in the games (especially for perimeter players). I just think that perimeter players have a lot more facility these days.Imagine someone like LeBron, Giannis, or Kawhi being able to hand check their opponents.
I prefer 80-86 than 130-122
Agreed.
And I don't think they are better 3 pt shooters today in terms of skills.
Ffs today they are wide open for 2 hours lol
Here's the problem with that (and to a point, I agree, FYI, just saying for the sake of argument).
The more contact you allow, the harder it becomes to ref, because the line between "contact that degrades a player's ability to shoot or move freely" and "contact that is incidental or 'compe ive'" gets blurred very very quickly. It could also have some pretty big disadvantages for larger players. If contact is called less, you quickly get a system where bigger players cause more "impact" and thus get called for more fouls, whereas a small player can hit you pretty hard without sending you flying. If you've ever played ball, you know that even if you're a smaller player, it doesn't take much to disrupt someone's shot. A hand in the back going up for a jumper is all it takes to completely throw the shot off.
I also prefer tightly contested defensive games, but the general public certainly does not. And I would couch that in the idea that I also like clean, beautiful ball movement -- but if you allow offensive players to get mugged, it not only stops scorers, but it causes havoc on offenses as well. Holding a player for just a half second is sometimes enough to throw off an entire offensive set, if it's timed to allow for picks and screens to rub off one another.
Additionally, I find hand checking an extremely lazy way to play defense. I'm glad to see that gone even if I think more physicality could be beneficial -- although given how much refs are struggling in this era with calls, I don't know if it's something we actually want.
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