Parker over his last 5 games.

[DarrinS]

Smallish PGs aren't trending.

[YGWHI]

He's not a good enough dribbler nor passer to run it effectively. He can run it a couple of times selectively, as he does now, but not with any kind of high frequency.

Yeah...Talking about facts. Kawhi was leading the league on PPP in P&Rs situations. His dribble was enough good to give him those good looks he had and scored.

Kawhi's P&Rs was the most effective play for his own shot in the season.

That's why it's so weird that you can't see how much he improved this season at it. How convinient for you...Because if you were able to recognize his progresses, you couldn't stick with the old ST narrative 'Kawhi can't drive'

And again, I answered you how many times Kawhi has the ball in his hands to run a pick and roll with Parker on the court?

If he has become that great scoring in those situations, just imagine if he would have the ball in his hands to keep improving.

He's okay in those areas but not good enough to grant him Harden/LBJ like ball dominance privileges.

Kawhi will never be LeBron. Like Kobe was never MJ.
But he's 25 years old, epic work ethic, and has improved every season. He will keep doing it.

Also, this team doesn't have other superstar, Kawhi is the closet thing to LeBron the Spurs will get in years. It's time to give him any possible chance to improve, give him those privileges and see what happens.

What will prevent this team from a le is they simply don't have the raw talent from 1-8 as the Warriors/Cavs. For 's sake. The Warriors have THREE MVP level players on their team and you're sitting here whining about that isn't even a problem.

In three years one of those superteams will collapse because can't keep all guys together, chemistry issues, some key player getting old...And Kawhi will reach his prime.
But he'll be a better player if he had the opportunities in these previous years to spread his wings and shine instead of begging for the ball in whole quarters.

[midnightpulp]

Yeah...Talking about facts. Kawhi was leading the league on PPP in P&Rs situations. His dribble was enough good to give him those good looks he had and scored.

Kawhi's P&Rs was the most effective play for his own shot in the season.

That's why it's so weird that you can't see how much he improved this season at it. How convinient for you...Because if you were able to recognize his progresses, you couldn't stick with the old ST narrative 'Kawhi can't drive'

And again, I answered you how many times Kawhi has the ball in his hands to run a pick and roll with Parker on the court?

If he has become that great scoring in those situations, just imagine if he would have the ball in his hands to keep improving.


Kawhi will never be LeBron. Like Kobe was never MJ.
But he's 25 years old, a work ethic and has improved every season, he will keep doing it.

Also, this team doesn't have other superstar, Kawhi is the closet thing to LeBron the Spurs will get in years. It's time to give him any chance to improve, give him those privileges and see what happens.


In three years one of those supersteams will collapse because can't keep all guys together, chemistry issues, some key player getting old...

Kawhi will reach his prime. But he'll be a better player if he had the opportunities in these previous years to spread his wings and shine instead of begging for the ball in whole quarters. ]

I don't care about PPP. It's meaningless without context. I could take 1 shot per game in garbage time, make it, and average a historic 2 points per shot. How many pick-and-roll sets does Kawhi actually run? Like I said, his PPP is nice because the Spurs run it selectively with him. He's not good enough to run it at the frequency you want. Sorry.

And why do you want Kawhi to be ball dominant? Small forwards aren't ball dominant players aside from James and Larry Bird, who wasn't really that ball dominant. Durant has never been ball dominant. George isn't ball dominant. Again, you're fanboying. You're more interested in seeing monster stats from your hero than the Spurs playing balanced team basketball.

And Kawhi didn't get to spread his wings.

He went from a guy who couldn't shoot to averaging over 24ppg in 33 minutes. Yeah, didn't get to spread them at all.

Maybe you should find a Kawhitalk forum or something.

[midnightpulp]

Looks it's time to bust yet another myth.

Kiwi don't git to run pic n roll cuz Porker take all those touches

http://stats.nba.com/players/ball-ha...ort=Time&dir=1

Kawhi's frequency as the pick-and-roll handler is higher than: Lebron James, Paul George, Kevin Durant, Giannis, and get this, even Steph Curry, who is perceived as a pnr spammer.

I guess the helmets won't be satisfied until Kawhi gets a 100% usage rating across the board

[$pursDynasty]

Looks it's time to bust yet another myth.

Kiwi don't git to run pic n roll cuz Porker take all those touches

http://stats.nba.com/players/ball-ha...ort=Time&dir=1

Kawhi's frequency as the pick-and-roll handler is higher than: Lebron James, Paul George, Kevin Durant, Giannis, and get this, even Steph Curry, who is perceived as a pnr spammer.

I guess the helmets won't be satisfied until Kawhi gets a 100% usage rating across the board

Truth nuke

[YGWHI]

I don't care about PPP. It's meaningless without context. I could take 1 shot per game in garbage time, make it, and average a historic 2 points per shot.

Sure. Because Kawhi plays many garbage time, right?

He barely sees the court in 4th quarters and now you say that his stats in PPP is because he plays garbage minutes??

Stop trolling.

[YGWHI]

Looks it's time to bust yet another myth.

Kiwi don't git to run pic n roll cuz Porker take all those touches

http://stats.nba.com/players/ball-ha...ort=Time&dir=1

Kawhi's frequency as the pick-and-roll handler is higher than: Lebron James, Paul George, Kevin Durant, Giannis, and get this, even Steph Curry, who is perceived as a pnr spammer.

Yeah...I've said it a millon times.

Kawhi got those plays in the first part of the season. Then his USG% and his frecuency at P&R ball handler has decreased A LOT in the last 7 games.

[Silver&Black]

Gotdamn....Mid just destroying poster after poster.

Who is next?

[YGWHI]

Gotdamn....Mid just destroying poster after poster.

Who is next?

Yeah...Mid 'facts' and 'views'

Because you're other one who think that Kawhi was P&R ball handler leader just because he scored in 'garbage time', right?

Also, you are another who agree with him that Parker won't be net negative in playoffs again when he faces Harden, CP3, Curry...

Good luck with all that, guys.

[apalisoc_9]

PP/R % is very misleading..

I thought better of you mid..

[midnightpulp]

Yeah...Mid 'facts' and 'views'

Because you're other one who thinks that Kawhi was P&R ball handler leader just because he scored in 'garbage time', right?

Also, you are another who agree with him that Parker won't be net negative in playoffs again when he faces Harden, CP3, Curry...

Good luck with all that, guys.

And a 5'8" Patty House is gonna be a net positive, right

[YGWHI]

And a 5'8" Patty House is gonna be a net positive, right

Like I care about Mills...

'But but b-u-t Kawhi is great at scoring on P&Rs just because he makes shots in GARBAGE time"

What a clown.

[midnightpulp]

PP/R % is very misleading..

I thought better of you mid..

"The stats that support my argument are solid, the stats that don't are 'misleading.' "

Time to end the crusade. All evidence this season points to Parker/Kawhi>Kawhi/House. Parker/Starters>House/Starters. And also shows that Kawhi isn't being underused per his status at all. It's becoming more and more evident that your lot are simply frothing Kawhi fanboys who want to see him put up "sick" stats and/or irrational Parker haters.

Now don't think I dislike House, but he has a ROLE. A role which he's very effective in alongside the right personnel. But to believe he's a true NBA PG that can run an offense is sheer in' lunacy. Parker is also a score first PG, but he's 1000% better running an offense and managing a game than House. You all need to get it into your brains that House is a midget microwave shooting guard and isn't a solution to the point guard "problem."

[midnightpulp]

Like I care about Mills...

'But but b-u-t Kawhi is great at scoring on P&Rs just because he makes shots in GARBAGE time"

What a clown.

Kawhi never plays garbage time. Show me how many 4th quarter minutes he's played when the Spurs were up 20 or more?

[YGWHI]

Kawhi never plays garbage time. Show me how many 4th quarter minutes he's played when the Spurs were up 20 or more?

I don't care about PPP. It's meaningless without context. I could take 1 shot per game in garbage time, make it, and average a historic 2 points per shot.

I'm not the guy who said this stupid thing about Kawhi's PPP in P&Rs...

So if Kawhi doesn't play in garbage time you have to admit that his P&Rs and PPP are legit.

[midnightpulp]

I'm not the guy who said this stupid thing about Kawhi's PPP in P&Rs...

So if Kawhi doesn't play in garbage time you have to admit that his P&Rs and PPP are legit.

I was just explaining to you how PPP can be misleading, a point that went over your head. I actually thought Kawhi ran it less, but the stats show he runs it at a rate higher than pretty much every SF in the league and even some notable guards.

This all means you have one less thing to bellyache about. Kawhi's pnr touches are actually ABOVE AVERAGE for his position.

Again, another myth busted that Parker is limiting Kawhi's pnr game. Even Lebron doesn't run it as much

So what are we gonna complain about next? Kawh needs 100% usage, right?

[duncan2k5]

I keep saying...parker is unreliable...his good stretches are fools gold, and always ends up in us being burned in the playoffs...murray us just as much a spur as parker, and may end up being our best pg ever...20 years from now ppl will be wondering why in the world he wasn't playing this year...

[UZER]

I keep saying...parker is unreliable...his good stretches are fools gold, and always ends up in us being burned in the playoffs...murray us just as much a spur as parker, and may end up being our best pg ever...20 years from now ppl will be wondering why in the world he wasn't playing this year...

Because that's just the way it is.




Pop has become a slave to the system hes created. If he deviates too far from it, it loses credibility. The fact that Parker has nothing left in the tank has no impact on whether Murray plays or not. I've said if current Pop was coaching 2001, Parker would have ridden the bench for the entire season rather than given the chance to cut his chops early and get the rhythm, timing of the NBA game.

This team needs help at the PG position. Murray can help fill that need with his skill set. Nobody is claiming he's the savior of this season, but refusing to play him because "that's just the way it is" is ridiculous considering what Parker is given you at this point.