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    I am more concerned by his defense, he's fallen off remarkably the past month..

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    He's like Top 3 in 3 PT%, bruh.

    Spurfans' "what have you done for me lately" mentality is insane.

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    He's like Top 3 in 3 PT%, bruh.

    Spurfans' "what have you done for me lately" mentality is insane.
    It's a game to game thing, tbh.... from hero to disaster... there's no middle ground, per par... but you know that brah...

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    It's a game to game thing, tbh.... from hero to disaster... there's no middle ground, per par... but you know that brah...
    Still need the NBA metrics community to move into the 21st century and give dat consistency stat.

    Like I've said, I'd rather have a player who reaches his averages on a more consistent basis than a player who does it through big game/ game. i.e. 9, 10, 9, 8 vs. 16, 2, 14, 4.

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    Still need the NBA metrics community to move into the 21st century and give dat consistency stat.

    Like I've said, I'd rather have a player who reaches his averages on a more consistent basis than a player who does it through big game/ game. i.e. 9, 10, 9, 8 vs. 16, 2, 14, 4.
    Yet you've been propping up a guy that has played well for a couple of weeks (Rique) while simultaneously ting on guy who's been a better option for the large majority of the season bc he's been slumping recently (Paddy).

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    Still need the NBA metrics community to move into the 21st century and give dat consistency stat.

    Like I've said, I'd rather have a player who reaches his averages on a more consistent basis than a player who does it through big game/ game. i.e. 9, 10, 9, 8 vs. 16, 2, 14, 4.
    Danny is who he is... frankly, he plays on a unit where he doesn't need to do much offensively... I am more concerned with his irregularity on the defensive end though. We don't have solid paint protection anymore, there's a bigger onus on perimeter D... and Tony is already a liability (and I'm not saying this to bag on Tony, it's a reality we all have known for a while now).

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    It's a game to game thing, tbh.... from hero to disaster... there's no middle ground, per par... but you know that brah...
    Like Manu last game hitting the backboard in a game tying 3 attempt... Danny has been hitting shots, but he did have a poor game this time..

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    Danny is who he is... frankly, he plays on a unit where he doesn't need to do much offensively... I am more concerned with his irregularity on the defensive end though. We don't have solid paint protection anymore, there's a bigger onus on perimeter D... and Tony is already a liability (and I'm not saying this to bag on Tony, it's a reality we all have known for a while now).
    Danny is simply going to have to recognize this new team reality and adjust his D accordingly - which he really has yet to do.

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    Green barely guarded Booker WTF? Dude was matched up with Warren and Bledsoe all game.

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    Green barely guarded Booker WTF? Dude was matched up with Warren and Bledsoe all game.
    Selective memory?

    How would that even make a remote amount of sense tactically? If Green is the primary defender on Bledsoe, then where do you hide Parker? And if Warren, why burn out Leonard on Booker?

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    Even Sean said in the 4th that "we're probably going to see Kawhi on Booker from here". Who do you think was guarding him before Kawhi, Chinook?

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    Yet you've been propping up a guy that has played well for a couple of weeks (Rique) while simultaneously ting on guy who's been a better option for the large majority of the season bc he's been slumping recently (Paddy).
    Parker has been playing well for 3 weeks, Patty's had one okay game in 3 weeks. A slump is like 2 or 3 games. Whatever is plaguing Patty is more than a slump.

    And how is Patty the better option? I've shown that Parker fits much better with the starters straight up. Even Patty+Manu+Starters has been a poor lineup this season.

    http://www.82games.com/1617/1617SAS2.HTM

    This tells me Patty is doing the majority of his damage against 2nd units. We have zero-to-little proof that Patty would be a "better option" wholesale against starting NBA PGs (which is the deepest position in the league right now) and SGs (SGs often defend PGs, as you know).

    Do I agree he should be brought in if Parker is flat out terrible? Yes. Do I believe he should be brought in for Parker if the Spurs are desperate and need quick scoring? Yes.

    Other than situational cir stance, Patty should be kept in his current role/minutes. Again, for the 75 billionth time, he isn't a PG. And he isn't a "better fit" alongside Kawhi. Another myth busted.

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    Green barely guarded Booker WTF? Dude was matched up with Warren and Bledsoe all game.
    He basically scored every time Simmons/Manu were guarding him & he killed Danny in transition. When Kawhi was on him, he used picks to force a switch whether on the PnR or running around like Re . Probably should have trapped him & forced Tyson Chandler to be a playmaker.

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    Every time I watch a Spurs game without being logged in and posting in the game thread, I will later log in and wonder wtf a quarter of the posters here were watching, tbh

    Booker's scoring breakdown:

    12 vs. Kawhi(on screens and switches vs. bigs)
    6 vs. Green
    6 on fast breaks
    5 on broken plays
    4 vs. Simmons
    4 vs. Forbes
    2 vs. Manu
    2 on a putback

    They just played a few weeks ago and Booker had arguably his worst game of the season with Green shadowing him..he's a volume chucker, he's going to have 40-point games followed by 9-point games, that's what they do..

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    Poor Forbes... in 5 minutes he was lit up and Booker drew a foul on him... I also remember him getting by Simms... thanks for that breakdown...

    About Forbes... he can't defend wings period... just too small ... he's going to have to model his game someway on Patty...

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    I still don't know how this guy has played all those years of high school, college, and NBA ball and still hasn't learned to pump fake, dribble in the paint and finish..

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    Poor Forbes... in 5 minutes he was lit up and Booker drew a foul on him... I also remember him getting by Simms... thanks for that breakdown...

    About Forbes... he can't defend wings period... just too small ... he's going to have to model his game someway on Patty...
    That's why I'm suggesting the team trade for a LEGIT 2-way role player like Elfrid Payton who's big enough to guard wings like Booker.



    Package Patty/Simmons for Elfrid Payton especially if PATFO don't play on overpaying either one this summer.

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    That's why I'm suggesting the team trade for a LEGIT 2-way role player like Elfrid Payton who's big enough to guard wings like Booker.



    Package Patty/Simmons for Elfrid Payton especially if PATFO don't play on overpaying either one this summer.
    It's a good point if they won't be re-signed but they didn't even trade up Cojo his last season...

    I think PATFO is going to try to reup both guys ... though Patty is doubtful... And TBH I have doubts they can reup everybody...

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    It's a good point if they won't be re-signed but they didn't even trade up Cojo his last season...
    CoJo was let go b/c they needed to clear up space for LMA otherwise Tiago wouldn't even have been traded for peanuts.

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    CoJo was let go b/c they needed to clear up space for LMA otherwise Tiago wouldn't even have been traded for peanuts.
    Its going to depend on the postseason truth be told and what the other guys with Player options do.. and market demands..

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    Still need the NBA metrics community to move into the 21st century and give dat consistency stat.

    Like I've said, I'd rather have a player who reaches his averages on a more consistent basis than a player who does it through big game/ game. i.e. 9, 10, 9, 8 vs. 16, 2, 14, 4.
    Maybe they should report the standard deviation or standard error of the mean for each "per game" average. Just a simple descriptive stat to describe the variability.

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    Every time I watch a Spurs game without being logged in and posting in the game thread, I will later log in and wonder wtf a quarter of the posters here were watching, tbh

    Booker's scoring breakdown:

    12 vs. Kawhi(on screens and switches vs. bigs)
    6 vs. Green
    6 on fast breaks
    5 on broken plays
    4 vs. Simmons
    4 vs. Forbes
    2 vs. Manu
    2 on a putback

    They just played a few weeks ago and Booker had arguably his worst game of the season with Green shadowing him..he's a volume chucker, he's going to have 40-point games followed by 9-point games, that's what they do..
    Spurs fan has to have something to melt down about.....

    I swear, we have the worst, most spoiled fans....

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    Even Sean said in the 4th that "we're probably going to see Kawhi on Booker from here". Who do you think was guarding him before Kawhi, Chinook?
    As your messiah Harlem pointed out, Sean was full of there. Kawhi had been on him the whole game pretty much.

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    Selective memory?

    How would that even make a remote amount of sense tactically? If Green is the primary defender on Bledsoe, then where do you hide Parker? And if Warren, why burn out Leonard on Booker?
    Leonard is supposed to be the best defender. So he's supposed to guard the best opposing perimeter player. I doubt Pop came into the game thinking Kawhi was going to be the lead scorer given how much LMA had dominated Phoenix's small fours. Green wasn't the primary guy on Bledsoe, but Simmons showed he couldn't guard him, and that led to Danny having to do it when Tony was out.

    As Harlem pointed out, Booker scored six points against Green. That's it. So this bull about him letting him go off is just that. Kawhi started off the game on him and didn't do much to stop him. To be honest, I don't think the Spurs did a terrible job checking him, especially as time went on. Booker just wasn't missing.

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    That's the video of Booker's scoring.

    He scored when Green was his guard four times.

    The first one is at the 11-minute mark in the third. Green was his man, but Kawhi (and maybe the refs) was responsible for the breakdown. He burped up a bad long-two without letting the Spurs prepare for transition defense. To his credit, he thought he was fouled and was just trying for the and-1. But because he stayed above the three-point line, he and Parker were responsible for getting back. Green was rightfully in the corner expecting a drive, so he wasn't responsible. If Kawhi had moved into the paint, Green would have started sliding to the wing to prevent the break, as is the way with the Spurs D.

    The second one is at the 10-minute mark of the fourth, where Green's once again not responsible for getting back on the break (meaning being one of the primary two defenders, not like pulling a Pau and just never getting back). He's in the corner like he's supposed to be when LMA turns it over.

    The third one is at the seven-minute mark of the fourth. Green gets beat on a back-door cut. This was bad, but it wasn't so much his fault as it was a team-defensive breakdown. You are going to be beat backdoor if you play denial at the top. So you have to have help against that in the paint. Everyone was out toward the perimeter. So either the Spurs were not trying to play denial defense, in which case Green should have been back inside the arc, or they were and LMA was just too high/Manu didn't sink fast enough. The way Devin was scoring, I have to think it was the latter.

    The fourth one was a minute later, and Green contested the shot very well. As he had a lot of the night, Booker just made the shot anyway.

    There was a fifth one that might have looked like it was on Green but had nothing to do with him, and that was Booker's three about 30 seconds into the third. But Green was guarding Warren and just tried to run out to help after Pau was slow to get back.

    Honestly, I really don't know how some of you watch games. Even if you gave all of those to Green, that's still only 12 of 39 points, against a guy who supposedly spent his 28 minutes being a sieve to Devin. It's just ridiculous what some people will think.

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