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    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...artisan-issue/

    Will Trump Make Vaccines Another Partisan Issue?
    By Harry Enten

    Robert F. Kennedy Jr., radio host, environmental lawyer and nephew of President John F. Kennedy, told reporters on Tuesday that President-elect Donald Trump has asked him to be chairman of a commission on vaccines and scientific integrity. Kennedy has repeatedly said he believes in the widely discredited claim that vaccines cause autism. (They do not.)

    It’s not clear that Kennedy will get the job or that the commission will be created. After Kennedy’s statement, the Trump transition team said that while Trump is exploring the possibility, no final decisions had been made. But medical experts immediately denounced the possibility, saying it could put children in danger, and as The Washington Post put it, putting Kennedy in charge of such a commission would be a “stunning move [that] would push up against established science, medicine and the government’s position on the issue.”

    Beyond the disregard for scientific evidence, however, Trump’s decision to take up vaccine-related conspiracy theories could have the added effect of polarizing opinion on vaccines along partisan lines.

    Vaccines now have wide, bipartisan support: Most Americans agree with the scientific consensus that they are safe. In a YouGov survey conducted last month, 72 percent of Democrats, 67 percent of independents and 71 percent of Republicans said it was not true that vaccines caused autism. Previous surveys also showed that the vast majority of Americans (of all political stripes) agreed that children should be required to get vaccinated and should not be allowed into school until they do.

    But we live in polarized times, and there have been a few issues recently that — once ushered into the political limelight — have lost bipartisan support. Democratic and Republican opinion on Russia, for example, used to rise and fall in unison. But since Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election has become an issue, and Trump has said nice things about Russia and its president, Vladimir Putin, Republicans have started to see Russia substantially more favorably than Democrats do.

    Something similar happened with the Electoral College. Trump’s victory, even though he lost the popular vote, has shifted opinions on that topic as well.



    The current gap between Democrats and Republicans on whether the United States should decide presidential elections by popular vote — 50 percentage points — is the largest on record.

    History also tells us that scientific issues can become polarized along partisan lines and stay that way. Back in 1998, 48 percent of Republicans and 47 percent of Democrats said that global warming had already begun, according to a Gallup survey. By 2007, after a decade of fighting between Democrats and Republicans on the issue — as well as the release of “An Inconvenient Truth” starring Al Gore — 70 percent of Democrats believed climate change had started. Republican belief in global warming remained relatively steady at 45 percent. Today, even fewer Republicans (40 percent) and even more Democrats (77 percent) believe climate change has already begun.

    Evolution has also grown more polarized over the last decade. Back in 2005, the Pew Research Center found that 54 percent of Democrats and 47 percent of Republicans agreed that “humans and other living things have evolved due to natural processes such as natural selection.” By 2014, 67 percent of Democrats believed that humans had evolved because of natural processes. Republicans, however, remained at 47 percent.

    We’re not sure that vaccines will become polarized along partisan lines. It’s not even clear to what extent Trump will take up the issue. But if he does, don’t be surprised if Republican and Democratic views on vaccines begin to diverge, even as the science stays the same.

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    Where'd he get that stutter, bum?

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    When someone watches her child have an anaphylactic reaction to a vaccine that the child has already had (2nd dose of DTap) and to which he's supposedly not allergic to and the pediatrician goes into a panic, administers epinephrine, yells at the mother because she threw away prednisolone (steroid) on HIS instruction, sends a rush order of prednisolone to the nearest pharmacy with instruction that he must carry it always and tells said mother not to come back to his office for vaccines, have the allergist administer in the hospital - is when I'll listen to anyone about mandatory immunizations. Never again. Until it happens to you, ...

    And these docs will not give a medical exemption for the other vaccines - only the one that resulted in an anaphylactic reaction. Even with an allergy like eggs, my son was injected with small amounts of chicken pox vaccine (egg-based) until the entire dosage was put in - took hours - but that was when I blindly followed doctors' advice instead of listening to my own gut reaction/instinct. Wish I had followed my uneducated dad's advice to give him everything (food) instead of allergist's avoidance advice. Too late now.

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    So baseline do you think we should go back to using thimerosal in all of our vaccines?

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    Might flip the west coast states red.

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    I recently stopped seeing a chick because she came out to me as an anti-vaxxer.

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    I recently stopped seeing a chick because she came out to me as an anti-vaxxer.
    Far out, man.

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    So baseline do you think we should go back to using thimerosal in all of our vaccines?
    Don't tell me you're one of those nutjobs who thinks vaccines cause autism.

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    "God I hope so, can you imagine how pissed the libcucks would be if Trump outlaws vaccines??? Lololololol"

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    "Maybe lib cuck s can cure polio with their triggered sjw libtears"

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    I recently stopped seeing a chick because she came out to me as an anti-vaxxer.
    Being anti-vaccine is a dis-qualifier for you? I'm old enough that I never took any of those vaccines (except polio) - got chickenpox, measles - brother got mumps - no big deal back then. But I also never knew anyone with allergies or asthma when I was young. With the rampant autism, allergies and asthma today - I'd be skeptical especially if it was in the family or happened to someone close to me.

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    Don't tell me you're one of those nutjobs who thinks vaccines cause autism.
    We all now know that crazy Florida woman is

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    When someone watches her child have an anaphylactic reaction to a vaccine that the child has already had (2nd dose of DTap) and to which he's supposedly not allergic to and the pediatrician goes into a panic, administers epinephrine, yells at the mother because she threw away prednisolone (steroid) on HIS instruction, sends a rush order of prednisolone to the nearest pharmacy with instruction that he must carry it always and tells said mother not to come back to his office for vaccines, have the allergist administer in the hospital - is when I'll listen to anyone about mandatory immunizations. Never again. Until it happens to you, ...

    And these docs will not give a medical exemption for the other vaccines - only the one that resulted in an anaphylactic reaction. Even with an allergy like eggs, my son was injected with small amounts of chicken pox vaccine (egg-based) until the entire dosage was put in - took hours - but that was when I blindly followed doctors' advice instead of listening to my own gut reaction/instinct. Wish I had followed my uneducated dad's advice to give him everything (food) instead of allergist's avoidance advice. Too late now.
    Being anti-vaccine is a dis-qualifier for you? I'm old enough that I never took any of those vaccines (except polio) - got chickenpox, measles - brother got mumps - no big deal back then. But I also never knew anyone with allergies or asthma when I was young. With the rampant autism, allergies and asthma today - I'd be skeptical especially if it was in the family or happened to someone close to me.

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    ^crofl

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    I sincerely hope that you never have to deal with a kid who is allergic to life - you wouldn't be laughing then. And you wonder why I homeschool with all that dairy and peanut butter at school.

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    rmt sounds like she's outside of child bearing years. Pretty good thing. She'd be a perfect candidate for forced sterilization.

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    rmt sounds like she's outside of child bearing years. Pretty good thing. She'd be a perfect candidate for forced sterilization.
    Sorry to disappoint - but already did my reproducing. Imagine - 3 of me - indoctrinated and all - running wild. Careful - one of them is in Texas - hope one of you don't fall for her - you might have to dump her when you hear her anti-vaccine position. Better make sure to ask every girl on the first date.

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    Being anti-vaccine is a dis-qualifier for you? I'm old enough that I never took any of those vaccines (except polio) - got chickenpox, measles - brother got mumps - no big deal back then. But I also never knew anyone with allergies or asthma when I was young. With the rampant autism, allergies and asthma today - I'd be skeptical especially if it was in the family or happened to someone close to me.
    Holy , do you semen shield for Trump on every ing issue?

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    I sincerely hope that you never have to deal with a kid who is allergic to life - you wouldn't be laughing then. And you wonder why I homeschool with all that dairy and peanut butter at school.
    You homeschool because you're a jeebo , right?

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    Holy , do you semen shield for Trump on every ing issue?
    Nothing to do with Trump. Anaphylactic reactions are a very REAL part of my life - long before Trump.

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    You homeschool because you're a jeebo , right?
    Would you please explain "jeebo " to me? Google brings up a broken link to a SpursTalk post.

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    Sorry to disappoint - but already did my reproducing. Imagine - 3 of me - indoctrinated and all - running wild. Careful - one of them is in Texas - hope one of you don't fall for her - you might have to dump her when you hear her anti-vaccine position. Better make sure to ask every girl on the first date.
    That means nothing. I have hardcore conservative parents and I got older and realized they were buying into bull . Perhaps yours got enough genetic material from someone who is modestly intelligent and will do the same.

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    Would you please explain "jeebo " to me? Google brings up a broken link to a SpursTalk post.
    You believe in Santa for adults.

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    Most of the people I know (myself included) get more conservative as they get older so there's hope for you all :-) And oh yes, college is indeed rubbing off on her - she didn't vote for Trump - left president blank but Republican down ticket. But I'm hopeful for more conservatism as she get older and perhaps gets married/has children - nothing like raising kids and wanting to teach them the "right" way - I think I've provided enough laughs for you all tonight.

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    I've grown more to the center since I've gotten older. I'm almost 40 so I don't really see that changing. Here's to hoping your children do the same.

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