Nintendo Switch

**Cry Havoc** · 01-13-2017

I don't think any console makes sense to buy at launch. You pay the highest price, they're hard to find, and launch games usually suck. PS3 was the worst launch I can remember, it ticked all three of those boxes.

I think I'm just going to do what I did with PS4: wait until they get cheap as and there is a good library of exclusives, with many being discounted since they're not new anymore. For instance, the most I paid for any of my PS4 games is $18 for Bloodborne, even though I got all the exclusives that excited me about the system (God of War 3, Bloodborne, The Last of Us, the Uncharted series, and Journey). I think I paid $75 in total for those eight games, all new discs except Journey (which I got digitally). Hopefully Nintendo has some great exclusives to make it worth it in a year or two.

One of the best features of PC gaming over the long run that isn't really talked about is the guaranteed backward compatibility. Not only do you continually get access to every game that you've purchased, but for some les that are way ahead of their time graphically, when you upgrade down the line you can go back and play through the game with max settings. It's another layer of enjoyment built into the ecosystem and it's extremely friendly, considering that even the work laptop I'm typing this on can run some of the older games with no problem.

**baseline bum** · 01-13-2017

Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

One of the best features of PC gaming over the long run that isn't really talked about is the guaranteed backward compatibility. Not only do you continually get access to every game that you've purchased, but for some les that are way ahead of their time graphically, when you upgrade down the line you can go back and play through the game with max settings. It's another layer of enjoyment built into the ecosystem and it's extremely friendly, considering that even the work laptop I'm typing this on can run some of the older games with no problem.

You don't have to convince me man, I'm still PC first. I'm kind of pissed Microsoft wrecked backwards compatibility in games from 10 years ago though with Games For Windows Live. It's the reason I'm really skeptical about UWP and the Windows Store. I can't play my PC copy of Gears of War any more because of the stupid GFWL integration.

**baseline bum** · 01-13-2017

LOL if these are the kind of games we're going to see on the Switch

**ElNono** · 01-13-2017

This thing runs a 4 core ARM at 1Ghz and a 700Mhz(docked, up to 1080p)/300Mhz(undocked, 720p) Maxwell GPU. You're not going to see a ton of AAA stuff on it regardless. Heck, if they manage to hack it, an emulator for PC is not out of the question.

**baseline bum** · 01-13-2017

Originally Posted by ElNono

This thing runs a 4 core ARM at 1Ghz and a 700Mhz(docked, up to 1080p)/300Mhz(undocked, 720p) Maxwell GPU. You're not going to see a ton of AAA stuff on it regardless. Heck, if they manage to hack it, an emulator for PC is not out of the question.

Can it play Crysis?

**jeebus** · 01-13-2017

Originally Posted by baseline bum

If Nintendo's not big on DLC that's bad for third party support man, because that's a huge part of making big budget games profitable now. I don't think this forgoing of third party games is a good strategy. I know they sold a load of Wiis, but most of them were to casuals who didn't buy games after the first year and just used the system for netflix and . And then no one bought Wii U. I'm kind of worried Nintendo is just going to end up making Android and iOS games if Switch fails, and then they're going to have to go free to play with microtranscations since mobile gamers would rather get nickel and dimed to death instead of paying for the game once (look how badly Super Mario Run sold for a lousy $10). If this ends up another Wii U they're done with consoles. On the plus side maybe we'd see Super Mario and Zelda on PC and/or Playstation, which would be awesome.

Honestly, I don't know if they are big on DLC or not. The last console I bought was over 10 years ago so I don't know what they've been doing with the Wii U, other than ing it up. I hope they don't stop making consoles. The industry needs something different than the usual boring FPS and same tired that has a 95% of underdelivering. And I don't think they'd make Zelda or Mario for those other consoles. If the Switch goes way south, and I really don't think it will, I can see them downsizing big time and just making consoles for the Japanese market where Nintendo is way more popular than Sony and Microsoft.

**DJR210** · 01-14-2017

Nintendo

Enjoy it, this is Nintendo's final attempt at being a console maker

**Reck** · 01-14-2017

Originally Posted by DJR210

Nintendo

Enjoy it, this is Nintendo's final attempt at being a console maker

Dont know why they waste their time. Guess they have the money to spend, but still, their money is on handhelds not consoles.

That got Reggie is going to bankrupt Nintendo..somehow with his lame attempts.

**baseline bum** · 01-14-2017

Originally Posted by DJR210

Nintendo

Enjoy it, this is Nintendo's final attempt at being a console maker

I'd enjoy it if it meant Mario and Zelda coming to PC.

**baseline bum** · 01-14-2017

Speaking of

Nintendo, who the pays $130 for that ty master sword statue edition of the game. I heard that sold out in seconds. That thing looks like a slightly larger Happy Meal toy.

I guess the collectors edition of Mass Effect Andromeda is even worse at $200 with a ty remote controlled car and no ing copy of the game.

**jeebus** · 01-14-2017

Originally Posted by baseline bum

Speaking of

Nintendo, who the pays $130 for that ty master sword statue edition of the game. I heard that sold out in seconds. That thing looks like a slightly larger Happy Meal toy.

I guess the collectors edition of Mass Effect Andromeda is even worse at $200 with a ty remote controlled car and no ing copy of the game.

That 's gay. But Nintendo sure does know its market, knowing the neckbeards and fattys would eat that up. And it did.

**Arcadian** · 01-14-2017

Pre-ordered a Switch with neon joycons and Breath of the Wild at best buy for pickup on launch day...

**baseline bum** · 01-15-2017

I'm just not feeling the Switch. For a handheld I don't care about graphics. I made that mistake once when I bought a PSP instead of a DS and within a few days realized that graphically intense games suck on a small portable screen. Loco Roco was so much more fun on my PSP than my favorite series of all time GTA. It made me feel like an idiot since 15 years before I said the graphics and got Game Boy over Game Gear because Tetris and Battletoads were the kind of games that are awesome on a small screen while Mortal Kombat is ing unplayable on a handheld even if it is in color.

But when I'm at my desk or on the couch I want some eye candy when I'm playing on a monitor or HDTV. The Switch's hardware is just so weak. Zelda even being cel shaded and with pretty toned down graphics runs at 1600x900 and 30 fps with drops into the 20s.

The Switch just feels like it's in a no man's land to me. It's trying to be the PSP or Vita on portable, which is stupid since 3DS is brilliant for handheld gaming. Graphics have never mattered in portable gaming. But they have always mattered for home console gaming, and this system doesn't deliver on that front. Back in the NES days they crushed Sega Master system graphically. N64 games usually looked better than PS1, and Gamecube games were really impressive too. But then they said to with graphics with the Wii, which sold well, but most people who bought Wii were casuals who didn't buy games after the novelty of Wii Sports wore off. I think Nintendo is misjudging both their portable and home markets with this console. They definitely misjudged the home console market with Wii U when they sold underpowered hardware and that stupid tablet controller. And Nintendo used to have so many awesome third party games on NES and SNES in their glory days, but this gimped hardware kind of makes it impossible.

**SpursforSix** · 01-15-2017

Originally Posted by baseline bum

I'm just not feeling the Switch. For a handheld I don't care about graphics. I made that mistake once when I bought a PSP instead of a DS and within a few days realized that graphically intense games suck on a small portable screen. Loco Roco was so much more fun on my PSP than my favorite series of all time GTA. It made me feel like an idiot since 15 years before I said the graphics and got Game Boy over Game Gear because Tetris and Battletoads were the kind of games that are awesome on a small screen while Mortal Kombat is ing unplayable on a handheld even if it is in color.

But when I'm at my desk or on the couch I want some eye candy when I'm playing on a monitor or HDTV. The Switch's hardware is just so weak. Zelda even being cel shaded and with pretty toned down graphics runs at 1600x900 and 30 fps with drops into the 20s.

The Switch just feels like it's in a no man's land to me. It's trying to be the PSP or Vita on portable, which is stupid since 3DS is brilliant for handheld gaming. Graphics have never mattered in portable gaming. But they have always mattered for home console gaming, and this system doesn't deliver on that front. Back in the NES days they crushed Sega Master system graphically. N64 games usually looked better than PS1, and Gamecube games were really impressive too. But then they said to with graphics with the Wii, which sold well, but most people who bought Wii were casuals who didn't buy games after the novelty of Wii Sports wore off. I think Nintendo is misjudging both their portable and home markets with this console. They definitely misjudged the home console market with Wii U when they sold underpowered hardware and that stupid tablet controller. And Nintendo used to have so many awesome third party games on NES and SNES in their glory days, but this gimped hardware kind of makes it impossible.

Spot on the PSP. I've enjoyed a few FPS but for the most part, the best games are puzzle oriented. Loco et al. that elevator game was great as well. Knowing that, I still bought the Vita and have played it enough to get value out of it. The Switch looks to have a significantly bigger screen. I'll probably take a chance and buy one. But I'll do it under the guise as a b-day present for my kid.

**140** · 01-15-2017

Originally Posted by baseline bum

I'm just not feeling the Switch. For a handheld I don't care about graphics. I made that mistake once when I bought a PSP instead of a DS and within a few days realized that graphically intense games suck on a small portable screen. Loco Roco was so much more fun on my PSP than my favorite series of all time GTA. It made me feel like an idiot since 15 years before I said the graphics and got Game Boy over Game Gear because Tetris and Battletoads were the kind of games that are awesome on a small screen while Mortal Kombat is ing unplayable on a handheld even if it is in color.

But when I'm at my desk or on the couch I want some eye candy when I'm playing on a monitor or HDTV. The Switch's hardware is just so weak. Zelda even being cel shaded and with pretty toned down graphics runs at 1600x900 and 30 fps with drops into the 20s.

The Switch just feels like it's in a no man's land to me. It's trying to be the PSP or Vita on portable, which is stupid since 3DS is brilliant for handheld gaming. Graphics have never mattered in portable gaming. But they have always mattered for home console gaming, and this system doesn't deliver on that front. Back in the NES days they crushed Sega Master system graphically. N64 games usually looked better than PS1, and Gamecube games were really impressive too. But then they said to with graphics with the Wii, which sold well, but most people who bought Wii were casuals who didn't buy games after the novelty of Wii Sports wore off. I think Nintendo is misjudging both their portable and home markets with this console. They definitely misjudged the home console market with Wii U when they sold underpowered hardware and that stupid tablet controller. And Nintendo used to have so many awesome third party games on NES and SNES in their glory days, but this gimped hardware kind of makes it impossible.