Apologize for the crude recording method, but I didn't feel like ing around with capture software for this.
- First play. Dribbles it up and passes it off to LMA.
- Second play. Dribble-hand off to Kawhi.
- Third play. Dribbles it up and passes it off to Manu.
- Fourth play. Dribbles it up and passes it off to Lee.
- Fifth play. Same as the third.
At no time from these dead ball situations did House run anything. He didn't penetrate, probe, nor playmake. Just passed it off and Reggie Miller'd. Who's doing the playmaking? Mostly Manu. And it's Manu who usually runs point when House is on the floor. Notice Pop didn't keep D-League on the floor when he made the early sub. Now why do you think that is?
Hopefully a clear, unbiased video can finally illustrate why you can't just sub in House for Parker straight up. Other lineup changes would need to be made, changes that would effectively kill the second unit. I chastise Danny a lot on here, but yeah, removing a top tier wing defender from the SL to the bench where he can guard players like Denzel Valentine and Rodney McGruder instead of expending most of his energy on the Klays and Hardens of the league is a fantastic idea
That said, I like House. But he fits a specific role. And it's a role he's damn fine at.
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IMO starting Mills would be win/win/win:
all he has to do is feed Aldridge/Gasol/Leonard in the post.
his "advanced" stats will get worse going against the opposing starters, making him cheaper to re-sign, and shutting up the posters that compare his stats directly to Parkers
Parker will destroy other teams' 2nd string PGs, hopefully... maybe...
Can't ride with that logic. The Spurs cannot just run post-ups against most teams. They're really not hard to defend, and only Pau seems like he knows how to handle them (though the Wolves did get a steal on him last night).
Mills' stats will get worse because the team would get worse. I'm not sure I like that trade-off.
Parker/Manu/Simmons/Lee/Dedmon is a horrible lineup.
The Spurs have a better net rating with the current starting 5, than with Mills in place of Parker ( 10.0 in 343 mins to 5.9 in 42 minutes ), so while it looks better on paper, as Patty provides better spacing, it does not seem to translate on the court. There's always noise, especially with small sample sizes of course - Parker with the bench unit is an impossible -104.1 net rating- but for the time being there's no proof switching Patty and Parker would be an overall improvement.
Parker's playmaking has been underrated for awhile around here. I remember in one of the finals his shot was off but his playmaking was really good and people here were ting on him for having a bad game but when you actually pay attention to the stuff these guys do when they aren't shooting the ball you can see who's really valuable.
Now Parker's certainly fallen off since then. . .but yeah I agree, Mills is not "a replacement" for Parker at all. He's an undersized SG, and that's fine. To replace Parker we would need to draft, trade, or check free agency.
Hopefully Porker doesn't happen a 4th straight year.
Not totally related, but an interesting side note in Zach Lowe's Pelicans article:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/1...s-pelicans-nbaThe Pelicans could pivot to guys like Patty Mills, Shaun Livingston, Raymond Felton, and other stop-gaps, though Mills will be expensive. The league has figured out how good he is
Next year there are going to be a ton of good quality PGs drafted. That will free up a number of decent backup PGs.
Mills will never be a really decent starting PG and will be too expensive in all likelihood to keep as a backup who doesn't really create much for others. Can't live forever as Manu as the true backup PG.
I would gladly S&T the Microwave for Tim Frazier
I think he'll get paid but that might not be too bad for the Spurs.
Perhaps they can pick up a Langston Galloway to replace him, and that's one less guy that can torch Porker in the next 4-5 years he plans to play for the Spurs, tbh...
What you don't seem to get is that most of us are perfectly cool with the PG staying out of Kawhi and Aldridge's way and be a 3 pt threat.Apologize for the crude recording method, but I didn't feel like ing around with capture software for this.
- First play. Dribbles it up and passes it off to LMA.
- Second play. Dribble-hand off to Kawhi.
- Third play. Dribbles it up and passes it off to Manu.
- Fourth play. Dribbles it up and passes it off to Lee.
- Fifth play. Same as the third.
At no time from these dead ball situations did House run anything. He didn't penetrate, probe, nor playmake. Just passed it off and Reggie Miller'd. Who's doing the playmaking? Mostly Manu. And it's Manu who usually runs point when House is on the floor. Notice Pop didn't keep D-League on the floor when he made the early sub. Now why do you think that is?
Hopefully a clear, unbiased video can finally illustrate why you can't just sub in House for Parker straight up. Other lineup changes would need to be made, changes that would effectively kill the second unit. I chastise Danny a lot on here, but yeah, removing a top tier wing defender from the SL to the bench where he can guard players like Denzel Valentine and Rodney McGruder instead of expending most of his energy on the Klays and Hardens of the league is a fantastic idea
That said, I like House. But he fits a specific role. And it's a role he's damn fine at.
I agree, though, that it wouldn't make much sense, with this current roster, to switch Tony and Patty's roles; but I do want Pop to give the guy that is having the best performance on the night the most minutes. He has done some of that this season but not to the point I would like, which is: If Patty is having a good game and Tony is having one of those nights in which he contributes nothing at all, I want Patty to get 30 (or more) minutes and Parker around 18.
well it seems that this is happening tbh... on top of that there are a lot of games where Patty is playing the 4th quarter which is fine tbh
Apologize for the crude recording method, but I didn't feel like ing around with capture software for this.
- First play. Dribbles it up and passes it off to LMA.
- Second play. Dribble-hand off to Kawhi.
- Third play. Dribbles it up and passes it off to Manu.
- Fourth play. Dribbles it up and passes it off to Lee.
- Fifth play. Same as the third.
At no time from these dead ball situations did House run anything. He didn't penetrate, probe, nor playmake. Just passed it off and Reggie Miller'd. Who's doing the playmaking? Mostly Manu. And it's Manu who usually runs point when House is on the floor. Notice Pop didn't keep D-League on the floor when he made the early sub. Now why do you think that is?
Hopefully a clear, unbiased video can finally illustrate why you can't just sub in House for Parker straight up. Other lineup changes would need to be made, changes that would effectively kill the second unit. I chastise Danny a lot on here, but yeah, removing a top tier wing defender from the SL to the bench where he can guard players like Denzel Valentine and Rodney McGruder instead of expending most of his energy on the Klays and Hardens of the league is a fantastic idea
That said, I like House. But he fits a specific role. And it's a role he's damn fine at.
Curious given that of the 5 plays you highlighted how many would be set plays that POP wants him to do what he did or are they all broken plays?
Too bad Forbes appears to have zero athleticism. I can't even hope for him to get that role. Replacing Mills with another small two really isn't necessary, though. Just get a dynamic scorer like Josh Hart to put next to Murray and run them with Simmons/Anderson, Bertans and Dedmon/Gasol.
Forbes is a cancer times 100. Shouldn't even have been on the Spurs.
I have
Thought about Forbes a lot bc at times I have watched him (outside of the second or two he has gotten on the NBA)... by this I mean in the summer, over in preseason and the occasional dleague game... he has shown he's a very good shooter and capable scorer sort of like Neal.. He's not just a spot up guy... but the problem is that he's at least a couple of inches short and to be honest, more like 4 to be a true wing... I have read Pop is molding him in Patty's image but Patty, aside from a super quick shot is very fast. He sprints in transition with the ball and most players have trouble catching up to him, he gets a ton of good looks from cuts even with opponents knowing his game bc he's quick as a cat, etc.... He's able to do some things due to his high motor and energy.... Forbes aside of shooting hasn't shown that high motor and quickness off the balk or with his dribble...
I suppose we will see more of him next season... on whether POP's project of him at the PG spot is viable or not but so far, he hasn't looked good. Very, very limited sample in the NBA agreed, but even in garbage time he looks out of his depth. This is just an evaluation of a guy as a role player mind you.... in case guys were wondering if I had realistic expectations or not.
These clips weren't selectively chosen. I just filmed his dead ball possessions from the 1st quarter of last night's game. This is how Patty "runs" PG. Again, he's an off-ball shooting guard basically and needs someone like Manu to actually run the offense.
People are going to have to pick a lane in this debate. You want House starting/more minutes=less playing time for Green and the gutting of our very effective 2nd unit. I'm not opposed to bringing in Patty when Parker is obviously terrible, but giving Patty more minutes wholesale would require some big lineup tweaks.
Hope some team throws money at Iggy and Livingston like Phily did for Manu just to with the Warriors
Livingston a three year $36 million deal
Iggy 2 years $28 million
How about Jimmer?
What I meant was I assume the way Patty brings the ball down the court then passing off is exactly what POP wants him to do.
No. We can have Patty and Green and run the offense through Kawhi, LA and, to a lesser extent, Pau.
LMA is an offensive black hole. You can't really run the offense through him. Pau is obviously too far removed from his prime to run an offense. The only option is Leonard, who is already tasked with enough offensive and defensive load to effectively take up the ball dominance required of perimeter playmakers. He's also just an okay playmaker/ball handler.
Stats confirm, too. Mills for Parker straight up in the SL is a terrible unit.
http://www.82games.com/1617/1617SAS2.HTM
-13 net rating and they shoot .390 from the floor.
To finish games I want Kawhi and LA getting all the touches while having guys that can shoot (preferably 3s) around them. Tony just isn't that guy in most cases.LMA is an offensive black hole. You can't really run the offense through him. Pau is obviously too far removed from his prime to run an offense. The only option is Leonard, who is already tasked with enough offensive and defensive load to effectively take up the ball dominance required of perimeter playmakers. He's also just an okay playmaker/ball handler.
Stats confirm, too. Mills for Parker straight up in the SL is a terrible unit.
http://www.82games.com/1617/1617SAS2.HTM
-13 net rating and they shoot .390 from the floor.
Fap86, like in the soccer forum, will never give credit to Parker/Ronaldo
Its the Manu/Messi fanboyism in his blood
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